Shay Banon

But that's okay. I think that's life and you have to figure out how to work through it, if that makes sense.

But that's okay. I think that's life and you have to figure out how to work through it, if that makes sense.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think so. I think it would have helped. Yeah. But I also think that getting to a point where you sue someone is never helped. You know what I mean? And I think truly, I think Amazon, where they landed in a gold mine called Cloud, and they were like running very, very fast for the first few years. And you just took Elasticsearch, provided a service and called it Amazon Elasticsearch.

I think so. I think it would have helped. Yeah. But I also think that getting to a point where you sue someone is never helped. You know what I mean? And I think truly, I think Amazon, where they landed in a gold mine called Cloud, and they were like running very, very fast for the first few years. And you just took Elasticsearch, provided a service and called it Amazon Elasticsearch.

And then I think it was very hard for them to decide to change it. And they wanted to get, I don't know, it's hard for me to explain why they refused to do it. But you can see that they learned and they evolved and they didn't do that level of naming afterwards for other services that they took and provided as a service. And to be honest, like now we work really well with them. It's funny.

And then I think it was very hard for them to decide to change it. And they wanted to get, I don't know, it's hard for me to explain why they refused to do it. But you can see that they learned and they evolved and they didn't do that level of naming afterwards for other services that they took and provided as a service. And to be honest, like now we work really well with them. It's funny.

It's like... It was very hard for us to work with Amazon on the marketplace, for example, because when we would go to the marketplace and we would say, like, please promote, let's work together to promote our Elasticsearch hosting service. And they'll say, but there is already one. It's called Amazon Elasticsearch.

It's like... It was very hard for us to work with Amazon on the marketplace, for example, because when we would go to the marketplace and we would say, like, please promote, let's work together to promote our Elasticsearch hosting service. And they'll say, but there is already one. It's called Amazon Elasticsearch.

So it's like even trying to work with them was hard because of the confusion, because the confusion was internal because Amazon is so big. So once the name thing got cleared up, it just unleashed also the opportunity to even start to work together properly as, as two companies.

So it's like even trying to work with them was hard because of the confusion, because the confusion was internal because Amazon is so big. So once the name thing got cleared up, it just unleashed also the opportunity to even start to work together properly as, as two companies.

I think that would have been fine. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like hard to know. Maybe we would have ended up doing something similar to what Grafana did and change the license from Apache 2 to AGPL. So still remain within open source, but try to be more restrictive around whether Amazon really wants to take the software and provide it as a service.

I think that would have been fine. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of like hard to know. Maybe we would have ended up doing something similar to what Grafana did and change the license from Apache 2 to AGPL. So still remain within open source, but try to be more restrictive around whether Amazon really wants to take the software and provide it as a service.

I'll get back to, I do think that there is an imbalance in building open source and hosting open source. between the large cloud vendors and open source companies. And if we want more open source in the world, I think we need to figure out how to fix that imbalance. And that's a valid concern that companies have. And sometimes the way that I think people...

I'll get back to, I do think that there is an imbalance in building open source and hosting open source. between the large cloud vendors and open source companies. And if we want more open source in the world, I think we need to figure out how to fix that imbalance. And that's a valid concern that companies have. And sometimes the way that I think people...

talk about it, it's very, it creates tensions like, oh, all of these like big IPO companies, they IPO, they were successful and now they're like changing their license because they have shareholders or something along those lines. But to be honest, I was never worried about this. I was worried about the

talk about it, it's very, it creates tensions like, oh, all of these like big IPO companies, they IPO, they were successful and now they're like changing their license because they have shareholders or something along those lines. But to be honest, I was never worried about this. I was worried about the

five startups with two people that I'm talking every week that don't choose open source, you know? Or just like people that live there and go like, we'll never open source our software. We don't want to happen to us what happened to Elastic, you know?

five startups with two people that I'm talking every week that don't choose open source, you know? Or just like people that live there and go like, we'll never open source our software. We don't want to happen to us what happened to Elastic, you know?