Shayne Smith

Maybe.

I think with atheism, I don't think most people were honestly atheists.

It's kind of like that thing where like everyone, when you're a kid, everyone is punk rock for a time or like trying something out.

Sometimes that ends poorly and the thing everyone is trying out is changing their gender.

But like, because, you know, that is the emo of Gen Z. Wow.

Being genderqueer or weird, that is their version of emo.

Yes.

We were straightening our hair and wearing girl jeans and watching Bam Margera.

That's what they were doing.

That's what they did.

And then the generation after them, I hope, are wearing JNCOs and have green hair or something.

Can you guys get way into Korn?

We need to not be doing this other weird stuff.

But yeah, the subculture.

I don't know.

you know, Christianity always kind of has in its own way been subversive, even when it's the most popular.

Because even if Christianity is the predominant culture of your country, you're still going to have your base urges and it will still be subversive to subvert your urges.

Yeah.

Because Christianity is never asking you to overt.

It's always asking you to subvert.