Shayne Smith

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The opposite happened.

Craig took him to the woodshed.

Yeah, man.

If the new atheists were around today, they'd get eaten alive.

I mean, they are getting eaten alive, actually.

So, I mean, Sam Harris literally won't even like talk to anyone about apologetics anymore.

There are atheists today who are very articulate and intelligent, but they don't have the new atheist swagger.

There's nuance, there's vulnerability, there's agnosticism in the mix.

In authenticity, too.

I do feel like a lot of the atheists nowadays, you're kind of just like, are you just talking about atheism because this is what you've fallen into?

Like, Christopher Hitchens was on a mission.

He was an intellectual who wanted truth.

But he...

He was a truth seeker.

And if his, I truly believe someone who seeks the truth in the way he did, even if he came to the wrong conclusions because of the limits of his intellectual ability, I think people like that still go to heaven.

I think God's mercy is so infinite that if you genuinely, truly with your whole heart

come to the, you mess up Christopher Hitchens style.

I hope and pray with all my might that at the very end, he shows up.

I love that we got onto Christopher Hitchens.