Sheriff Mark Lamb

Okay.

So I'm 52 miles off the border where the—

on the Indian reservation, the Tohono O'odham Indian Nation, and then 71 miles off the border where the I-10, where the county line intersects with the I-10.

And so what we've got is problems of them pushing them through backpackers, drugs, all that coming through the reservation predominantly.

And then anything that comes across the southern border,

pretty much everybody that comes through Cochise County, Pima County, Santa Cruz County, those people eventually are gonna get in a car, whether it's the drugs or the people that are being trafficked, they're gonna get on one of our highways,

and head up to Phoenix.

And Phoenix becomes a distribution hub for human trafficking, drug trafficking.

So almost all of them will make it through Pinal County at some point, either on our highways or through our deserts to try to get to Phoenix where they will be distributed throughout the rest of the country.

A lot of it is just a compass.

You can just go with a compass underground and just look and see if you're still on the heading, the right heading.

They do it both ways.

So they'll start in the Mexico.

And a lot of these people, you got to remember, they can pass freely on day visas or some of these people can come back and forth.

And so you might get somebody that goes from US side and goes over to Mexico and walks into a factory and

All day long, they dig underneath to try to get to that over there.

There's some very intricate tunnel systems that they've done.

And I don't think the US even fully knows how many tunnels there are.

Especially now, we're so overwhelmed that you don't have time to dedicate to going and finding all these tunnels.

And right now, the cartels, like I said, they don't really even need to spend a lot of money building these tunnels because they're having so much success just walking them through the gaps in the fence or on the reservation where there's no wall.