Sherryn Groch

Yeah, exactly.

And look, this has been done before in other parts of the world.

And these guys, you know, they follow that really closely.

They're looking at what happened, say, in Germany, where the Nazi groups were forced underground.

So they created a semi-legitimate political party, but it had this underground militant, unofficial neo-Nazi wing that kept running, kept doing activism.

So it's certainly a tricky problem for lawmakers because they also have to defend freedom of thought.

The other problem for some experts is they wish that the government had just banned them outright as a terror group under the existing legislation rather than creating this whole new category because they said, look,

You know, it's been revealed they had ties to terrorists, they'd been involved in violence before, like the scenes we saw at Camp Sovereignty just last year.

Just outlaw them that way.

Don't create this whole new precedent which could really open a can of worms legally and catch other people we don't want to.

The other side of all of this, I should say, is that there has been this crackdown, but there hasn't been much talk about proper funding and support for de-radicalisation programs, because a lot of these Nazis, as we know, they're teenagers.

They're targeting really young boys.

Some of them are neurodivergent.

They're struggling with things like social isolation.

They might have autism, ADHD.

They might have serious mental health issues.

And now with this new white compound that Sewell's finally managed to get himself, experts like the White Rose Society, their anti-fascist researchers, they were telling me, look, this is the perfect place now for Sewell to really perfect his cult-like model and really exert even more control over followers.

So de-radicalisation is more important than ever.