Shiv Malik

So you need to say, this is going to be big, where you're going to find talent and you can locate here strategically over the long term.

So then the land is valuable to them.

If not the Malaysian Sovereign Wealth Fund, who's going to provide the dosh?

So actually, you know, I've had those conversations with loads of funders, people who do debt financing at huge scales, billions, trillions.

Trillions?

Well, they've got, you know, these people have got, you know, kind of a trillion of assets under management, right, in some cases.

But certainly tens of billions, hundreds of billions.

So they do this.

I've had those conversations.

They would love to invest in something like this.

And really, it's just about bottoming out the kind of case for, have we got the politics right?

Have we got the development corporation that can actually make this happen?

And then have we got the ultimate business model, right?

Do the finances stack up at the end of the day?

All investors are always looking for good places with low amounts of risk with high returns, right?

The kind of magic sort of thing.

So what would be the return they get?

Yeah, so the return would be standard returns, but the question is, for them, it's about political risk.

That's constantly what... I talk to several billionaires, talk to lots of people with lots of money, and their number one concern is political risk, right?

We don't think this particular government...