Shiv Malik

And it incorporates, at the moment, there's about 8,000 people who live there currently, and there's about 24 villages.

And some of those villages are really, really quite beautiful.

They would be totally chocolate box in the way they'd be classified.

Do they survive?

So yes, in terms of the houses and the villages, of course, they remain exactly that.

But I can't get around the fact that as soon as you step outside of that village and you can placemake in all sorts of interesting ways, you can use those 12,000 acres of forest to kind of envelop and kind of protect

the village itself from the rest of the city, but they will step out and eventually they'll drive a minute and a half and it will be a city.

So there's no getting around that, right?

Why, you know, I'm not going to lie and say it's otherwise.

And of course there's compensation you can pay.

But I've had those conversations and people who've said, look, someone said to me, look, I am 70 years old.

I have deliberately retired in, this is my choice to retire in a village in the quiet of the beauty and beauty of the English countryside.

And I will live in a building site until I die.

if this goes ahead.

And when you hear stuff like that firsthand and you sit with people and you talk to them in their gardens and they're serving you tea and telling you this, it's really hard to hear.

And this isn't an easy trade-off in that sense.

It's just, it needs to be done for the sake of not just the country, but a million people who need hope that this country and their own lives can actually be better, right?

It's a hard trade to make.

Are these homes going to be beautiful?

Yeah.