Shiv Malik

And so they're getting frustrated, like me.

So our job is a bit like Sebco to create all of the necessary conditions for this to happen, including all of the planning, et cetera, et cetera.

We don't actually build the city.

That's down to ultimately the development corporation, which might be a joint venture with maybe us, but a bunch of other actual proper builders, right?

That's how we've structured it.

So, of course, what you're reading out is not that we can have a long set of rational arguments about why this is wrong and that's wrong.

People feel basically two things.

They want to live in villages because that's what they've chosen or that's and it's not just like what they know.

It's what they deliberately in many cases chosen.

Right.

They understand what cities are.

They don't want to live in one.

And the second thing is a huge deficit of trust, rightly so, around the development that's already happened, where they live and, again, what they know.

And their right to not trust private developers.

Yeah, and I want to be really clear.

That's what's going on.

I did actually worry about it.

Oh, you did?

Yeah.

You've got to have a head for the detail, right?