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But he had said that, you know, John Schneider is more of a gambler.

And I mean, he tries to do some of those things

in his own managing because he is himself conservative in how he does things.

So, for example, I think that bears out in what you've said.

Again, I'm not watching tons of Phillies baseball post-Rob Thompson, right?

Not that I was watching tons of Phillies baseball pre-Don Mattingly.

Once he was fired, you were out forever.

that probably didn't need to qualify but uh i i do think it is funny to hear that because i don't think it was it wasn't a criticism of don mattingly and saying that john shan was a gambler but he like went out of his way to mention the fact that you know analytics is a big part of this right now again i'm not trying to like draw some kind of line to the stand by saying analytics is bad not using analytics is good right i mean it's that's it's a very complicated answer that we've constantly discussed in the

And the over-cacification, as Blair likes to say, of baseball.

But I don't know.

I do feel like there is probably a happier medium for when Schneider, for example, specifically does things like asking guys to bunts or certain bullpen usages.

And, you know, the bullpen is a separate issue or, to your point, intentional walks or what have you.

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Lorne, what's up?

Lauren, appreciate the time and appreciate your call.

Yeah, you know what?

I'll disagree on the Hoffman thing, if only because