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Sholto Douglas

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1567 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like, I think it's, like, it is best understood as...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

and with incredibly difficult prioritization problems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Coding is immensely valuable right now and somewhat more tractable.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So it actually makes sense to devote more of your effort to coding initially and get closer to solving that because there's a sort of super exponential value as you get closer to what's solving a domain.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

than to allocate the marginal person towards computer use.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so everyone is making these difficult trade-off calls over what do they care about.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Also, there's another aspect, which is that, funnily enough, the researchers at the labs love working on the bars of intelligence that they themselves resonate with.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

So this is why math and competitive programming fell first, is because to everyone at the labs, this is their bar of intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

This is when they think, fuck, what's a really smart

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like, what is smart?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

It's like, oh, if it can beat me at Amy, then that's smart.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Not if it can do an Excel model better.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

That's like, well, who cares if it can do an Excel model better than me?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But if it can beat me at Amy, then I respect it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so we've reached the point where people respect it,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But people haven't invested as much effort.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Filling out all the countries where you've been for a visa, I hate that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I keep thinking I'm close enough to personal admin escape velocity that finally in like a year, the models will be doing my visas and stuff for me.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But we'll get there.