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Sholto Douglas

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1567 total appearances

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Just flip the sign.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And so once you get to the stage where models are capable of implementing one of no one's ideas, then you can just let them loose and let them build that intuition of how to do scientific discovery.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

The key thing here again is the feedback loops.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I expect scientific areas where you are able to put it in a feedback loop to have eventually superhuman performance.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

MARK MANDELBACHER- And again, software engineering is going to be the leading indicator of that, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like over the next six months, like the remainder of the year, basically we're going to see progressively more and more experiments of the form of how can I dispatch work to a software engineering agent in such a way that it's async?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Clawed for is GitHub integration, where you can ask it to do things on GitHub, ask it to do pull requests, this kind of stuff that's coming up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And the OpenAI's codecs are examples of this, basically.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You can almost see this in the coding startups.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

I think of this product exponential in some respects, where you need to be designing for a few months ahead of the model to make sure that the product you build is the right one.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And you saw last year, Cursor hit PMF with Cloud 3.5 Sonnet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

They were around for a while before, but then the model was finally good enough that the vision they had of how people would program hit.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And then, Windsurf bet a little bit more aggressively even on the agenticness of the model, with longer running agentic workflows and this kind of stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And I think that's when they began competing with Cursors, when they bet on that particular vision.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And the next one is you're not even in the loop, so to speak.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

You're not in an IDE, but you're asking the model to go do work in the same way that you would ask someone on your team to go do work.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

that is not quite ready yet.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

Like there are still a lot of tasks where you need to be in the loop.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

But the next six months looks like an exploration of like exactly what does that trend line look like?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Is RL + LLMs enough for AGI? โ€” Sholto Douglas & Trenton Bricken

And we're almost certainly like under eliciting dramatically.