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Shyam Sankar

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

I think it both looks exactly like the past and completely different. So the part that's exactly like the past is I think that the kind of fundamentals of the OODA loop, that it is about decision advantage and speed, is the same thing. Those principles are not changing. The most valuable application of technology then is going to be towards that end. So why is lethal autonomy so valuable?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

I think it both looks exactly like the past and completely different. So the part that's exactly like the past is I think that the kind of fundamentals of the OODA loop, that it is about decision advantage and speed, is the same thing. Those principles are not changing. The most valuable application of technology then is going to be towards that end. So why is lethal autonomy so valuable?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

You could say we've had that for a while. If you're flying in a fighter jet, it is your computer that is telling you that there is an enemy on your radar that you can't see. You're trusting the computer. That sounds like autonomy to me.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

You could say we've had that for a while. If you're flying in a fighter jet, it is your computer that is telling you that there is an enemy on your radar that you can't see. You're trusting the computer. That sounds like autonomy to me.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

You could say we've had that for a while. If you're flying in a fighter jet, it is your computer that is telling you that there is an enemy on your radar that you can't see. You're trusting the computer. That sounds like autonomy to me.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

And then when you release, when you press fire control there, the kind of terminal guidance is happening through an autonomous system, through the computer on the projectile. Okay, so now we're talking about, let's just start there. It's a difference of kind. I'm sorry, it's not a difference of kind. It's a difference of degree. We already have systems like this.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

And then when you release, when you press fire control there, the kind of terminal guidance is happening through an autonomous system, through the computer on the projectile. Okay, so now we're talking about, let's just start there. It's a difference of kind. I'm sorry, it's not a difference of kind. It's a difference of degree. We already have systems like this.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

And then when you release, when you press fire control there, the kind of terminal guidance is happening through an autonomous system, through the computer on the projectile. Okay, so now we're talking about, let's just start there. It's a difference of kind. I'm sorry, it's not a difference of kind. It's a difference of degree. We already have systems like this.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We're just talking about supercharging it, doing substantially more with it. And what is the more? The more is a much shorter term. decision-making lifecycle at much greater scale. And you start to see that with these first-player FPV drones. I think the Russians are losing roughly 1,500 people a day to these little drones that Ukrainians are flying. So at some point- 1,500 people a day? Wow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We're just talking about supercharging it, doing substantially more with it. And what is the more? The more is a much shorter term. decision-making lifecycle at much greater scale. And you start to see that with these first-player FPV drones. I think the Russians are losing roughly 1,500 people a day to these little drones that Ukrainians are flying. So at some point- 1,500 people a day? Wow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We're just talking about supercharging it, doing substantially more with it. And what is the more? The more is a much shorter term. decision-making lifecycle at much greater scale. And you start to see that with these first-player FPV drones. I think the Russians are losing roughly 1,500 people a day to these little drones that Ukrainians are flying. So at some point- 1,500 people a day? Wow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

It's tough. That's effective. So if you start thinking about that, it's like, well, that's the equivalent of small arms, really. It's like part of the innovation now is, okay, this drone has become the equivalent of small arms. But doctrinally, and that's how the Ukrainians treat it. It's like the E3, E4 who has fire control on that weapon, right? But for us, you know, we're not at war.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

It's tough. That's effective. So if you start thinking about that, it's like, well, that's the equivalent of small arms, really. It's like part of the innovation now is, okay, this drone has become the equivalent of small arms. But doctrinally, and that's how the Ukrainians treat it. It's like the E3, E4 who has fire control on that weapon, right? But for us, you know, we're not at war.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

It's tough. That's effective. So if you start thinking about that, it's like, well, that's the equivalent of small arms, really. It's like part of the innovation now is, okay, this drone has become the equivalent of small arms. But doctrinally, and that's how the Ukrainians treat it. It's like the E3, E4 who has fire control on that weapon, right? But for us, you know, we're not at war.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We haven't changed our doctrine. Like we would think of... The authorities on that is something the equivalent of a tomahawk, like a cruise missile. It's going to go way up the chain. And of course, if the balloon goes up, we'll throw all that away and we'll reinvent our doctrine. But I think we should be getting ahead of that now and start thinking about what are small arms now?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We haven't changed our doctrine. Like we would think of... The authorities on that is something the equivalent of a tomahawk, like a cruise missile. It's going to go way up the chain. And of course, if the balloon goes up, we'll throw all that away and we'll reinvent our doctrine. But I think we should be getting ahead of that now and start thinking about what are small arms now?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We haven't changed our doctrine. Like we would think of... The authorities on that is something the equivalent of a tomahawk, like a cruise missile. It's going to go way up the chain. And of course, if the balloon goes up, we'll throw all that away and we'll reinvent our doctrine. But I think we should be getting ahead of that now and start thinking about what are small arms now?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

Because it's not just your M4. So that's one piece of it. And then I think that also implies that the fighting force is going to have to be more technical. They're not going to have to be coders. But the responsibility, just like if you're going through Green Beret qualification, you learn everything about the gun. You know how to assemble it, disassemble it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

Because it's not just your M4. So that's one piece of it. And then I think that also implies that the fighting force is going to have to be more technical. They're not going to have to be coders. But the responsibility, just like if you're going through Green Beret qualification, you learn everything about the gun. You know how to assemble it, disassemble it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

Because it's not just your M4. So that's one piece of it. And then I think that also implies that the fighting force is going to have to be more technical. They're not going to have to be coders. But the responsibility, just like if you're going through Green Beret qualification, you learn everything about the gun. You know how to assemble it, disassemble it.