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Shyam Sankar

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

You could say we've had that for a while. If you're flying in a fighter jet, it is your computer that is telling you that there is an enemy on your radar that you can't see. You're trusting the computer. That sounds like autonomy to me.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

And then when you release, when you press fire control there, the kind of terminal guidance is happening through an autonomous system, through the computer on the projectile. Okay, so now we're talking about, let's just start there. It's a difference of kind. I'm sorry, it's not a difference of kind. It's a difference of degree. We already have systems like this.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

And then when you release, when you press fire control there, the kind of terminal guidance is happening through an autonomous system, through the computer on the projectile. Okay, so now we're talking about, let's just start there. It's a difference of kind. I'm sorry, it's not a difference of kind. It's a difference of degree. We already have systems like this.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

And then when you release, when you press fire control there, the kind of terminal guidance is happening through an autonomous system, through the computer on the projectile. Okay, so now we're talking about, let's just start there. It's a difference of kind. I'm sorry, it's not a difference of kind. It's a difference of degree. We already have systems like this.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We're just talking about supercharging it, doing substantially more with it. And what is the more? The more is a much shorter term. decision-making lifecycle at much greater scale. And you start to see that with these first-player FPV drones. I think the Russians are losing roughly 1,500 people a day to these little drones that Ukrainians are flying. So at some point- 1,500 people a day? Wow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We're just talking about supercharging it, doing substantially more with it. And what is the more? The more is a much shorter term. decision-making lifecycle at much greater scale. And you start to see that with these first-player FPV drones. I think the Russians are losing roughly 1,500 people a day to these little drones that Ukrainians are flying. So at some point- 1,500 people a day? Wow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We're just talking about supercharging it, doing substantially more with it. And what is the more? The more is a much shorter term. decision-making lifecycle at much greater scale. And you start to see that with these first-player FPV drones. I think the Russians are losing roughly 1,500 people a day to these little drones that Ukrainians are flying. So at some point- 1,500 people a day? Wow.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

It's tough. That's effective. So if you start thinking about that, it's like, well, that's the equivalent of small arms, really. It's like part of the innovation now is, okay, this drone has become the equivalent of small arms. But doctrinally, and that's how the Ukrainians treat it. It's like the E3, E4 who has fire control on that weapon, right? But for us, you know, we're not at war.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

It's tough. That's effective. So if you start thinking about that, it's like, well, that's the equivalent of small arms, really. It's like part of the innovation now is, okay, this drone has become the equivalent of small arms. But doctrinally, and that's how the Ukrainians treat it. It's like the E3, E4 who has fire control on that weapon, right? But for us, you know, we're not at war.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

It's tough. That's effective. So if you start thinking about that, it's like, well, that's the equivalent of small arms, really. It's like part of the innovation now is, okay, this drone has become the equivalent of small arms. But doctrinally, and that's how the Ukrainians treat it. It's like the E3, E4 who has fire control on that weapon, right? But for us, you know, we're not at war.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We haven't changed our doctrine. Like we would think of... The authorities on that is something the equivalent of a tomahawk, like a cruise missile. It's going to go way up the chain. And of course, if the balloon goes up, we'll throw all that away and we'll reinvent our doctrine. But I think we should be getting ahead of that now and start thinking about what are small arms now?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We haven't changed our doctrine. Like we would think of... The authorities on that is something the equivalent of a tomahawk, like a cruise missile. It's going to go way up the chain. And of course, if the balloon goes up, we'll throw all that away and we'll reinvent our doctrine. But I think we should be getting ahead of that now and start thinking about what are small arms now?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

We haven't changed our doctrine. Like we would think of... The authorities on that is something the equivalent of a tomahawk, like a cruise missile. It's going to go way up the chain. And of course, if the balloon goes up, we'll throw all that away and we'll reinvent our doctrine. But I think we should be getting ahead of that now and start thinking about what are small arms now?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

Because it's not just your M4. So that's one piece of it. And then I think that also implies that the fighting force is going to have to be more technical. They're not going to have to be coders. But the responsibility, just like if you're going through Green Beret qualification, you learn everything about the gun. You know how to assemble it, disassemble it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

Because it's not just your M4. So that's one piece of it. And then I think that also implies that the fighting force is going to have to be more technical. They're not going to have to be coders. But the responsibility, just like if you're going through Green Beret qualification, you learn everything about the gun. You know how to assemble it, disassemble it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

Because it's not just your M4. So that's one piece of it. And then I think that also implies that the fighting force is going to have to be more technical. They're not going to have to be coders. But the responsibility, just like if you're going through Green Beret qualification, you learn everything about the gun. You know how to assemble it, disassemble it.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

They're going to be that level of proficiency you're going to need for a set of technical capabilities that are going to be decisive on the battle space. It's going to extend to electronic warfare and cyber attacks and space-based access and communication. all the way to the end lethal effects.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

They're going to be that level of proficiency you're going to need for a set of technical capabilities that are going to be decisive on the battle space. It's going to extend to electronic warfare and cyber attacks and space-based access and communication. all the way to the end lethal effects.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

They're going to be that level of proficiency you're going to need for a set of technical capabilities that are going to be decisive on the battle space. It's going to extend to electronic warfare and cyber attacks and space-based access and communication. all the way to the end lethal effects.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#190 Shyam Sankar - Chief Technology Officer of Palantir: The Future of Warfare

I do think we're going to have to invest in, and this is where you need the outside tech mentality in kind of an Apple-like experience here. You know, yesterday when I was at Bragg, part of this capability exercise that General Praga put on talking to the different MOSs, you know, the special ops medic was like, my job is the best job. You know, the weapons officer, my job is the best job.