Simon Elegant

and for China.

I say could be demonstrators, could be protesters, could be rioters.

That's kind of the point of the book is it's ambiguous and there are many ways of looking at it and it's a complex situation.

Obviously, I think of my kids and my wife and so on.

Yeah, I think of my family.

But yeah, again, a very... I think I just mentioned earlier that Italians and Chinese are probably...

Similar in many ways, actually, but we won't go into that now.

Yeah, I think the family comes first is a huge thing for Chinese, often because of history.

The same reasons that, you know, you go to an Italian hill town, all the houses look like forts.

They had to protect themselves, especially.

Anyway, yeah, that's right.

I think of China, I think of Chinese and the veneration of family and secondary education.

Obviously, that's the other big thing.

I'm going to say the word West.

And you think of what?

Well, I think of what I just said, which is everything in China is about its reaction to the arrival of those little Dutch, Portuguese, excuse me, boats in the 1600s.

And they're still trying to really cope with the fact that they existed for 2,000 years as the only game in town.

Everyone revolved around them.

Uh-huh.

Mysterious?