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Simon Peyton Jones

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962 total appearances

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The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

Give them what they say they want.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

If we build it, they will come kind of deal.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

Avoid success at all costs.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

Or if you parenthesize it the other way, it says avoid success at all costs.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

At all costs, avoid success.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

And that's saying, that's a little joke, but it says, if you're too successful and have too many users, it becomes more difficult to make changes.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

And we experience that right now.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

So I devote many, many more of my personal cycles to backward compatibility issues than ever I did.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

I have devoted hundreds of hours, hours and hours, well, days and days, weeks and weeks in the last year or two to the following, what seems to be a very simple property.

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The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

If you can compile a program, a package in a whole program with GHC 10.0 and we released GHC 10.2, you should be able to compile that same package unchanged with GHC 10.2.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

Seems reasonable, right?

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

After all, 10.2 should just be better.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

But no, JTC has never had that property.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

And making it have that property has turned out to be very, very time consuming.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

Previously, we just never cared.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

Then we started to care, but thought it was a lot of work.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

And now we're investing the work.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

I think it may be the best thing that's happened to statically typed languages for a long time because, as we've been discussing,

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

With a static type system, you cut down the space of programs that the LLM can generate.

The Peterman Pod
Co-Creator of Haskell: Functional Programming, Thinking in Types, Useless Languages | Simon Jones

Because it is perfectly capable of running the compiler and saying, oh, darn, that was a bad program, better fix it.