Simon Rabinovitch

They are extreme. I mean, they're seriously extreme. Exactly, exactly. Trump denied on the campaign trail that Project 2025 had anything to do with his administration, his future administration. I don't know anything about it.

They are extreme. I mean, they're seriously extreme. Exactly, exactly. Trump denied on the campaign trail that Project 2025 had anything to do with his administration, his future administration. I don't know anything about it.

They are extreme. I mean, they're seriously extreme. Exactly, exactly. Trump denied on the campaign trail that Project 2025 had anything to do with his administration, his future administration. I don't know anything about it.

But of course, as we've seen in power, he's appointed many of the people who were involved in drafting Project 2025. And, you know, first and foremost is Russ Vogt.

But of course, as we've seen in power, he's appointed many of the people who were involved in drafting Project 2025. And, you know, first and foremost is Russ Vogt.

But of course, as we've seen in power, he's appointed many of the people who were involved in drafting Project 2025. And, you know, first and foremost is Russ Vogt.

Coming up, what is Project 2025? JK, JK, JK. You remember what it is. But now it's not just an idea. It is government policy. Simon returns after the break to identify all the places where we see the ideas made real.

Coming up, what is Project 2025? JK, JK, JK. You remember what it is. But now it's not just an idea. It is government policy. Simon returns after the break to identify all the places where we see the ideas made real.

Coming up, what is Project 2025? JK, JK, JK. You remember what it is. But now it's not just an idea. It is government policy. Simon returns after the break to identify all the places where we see the ideas made real.

Today Explained is back with Simon Rabinovich. Simon, you write that we are seeing Project 2025 become U.S. policy. Where are we seeing it?

Today Explained is back with Simon Rabinovich. Simon, you write that we are seeing Project 2025 become U.S. policy. Where are we seeing it?

Today Explained is back with Simon Rabinovich. Simon, you write that we are seeing Project 2025 become U.S. policy. Where are we seeing it?

Well, I think first and foremost, you know, what Russ Vogt is doing with the OMB, you know, is very much in line with what his blueprint was. He wrote a chapter in Project 2025 about basically how to use the executive office of the president. And he was, you know, totally transparent with his intentions.

Well, I think first and foremost, you know, what Russ Vogt is doing with the OMB, you know, is very much in line with what his blueprint was. He wrote a chapter in Project 2025 about basically how to use the executive office of the president. And he was, you know, totally transparent with his intentions.

Well, I think first and foremost, you know, what Russ Vogt is doing with the OMB, you know, is very much in line with what his blueprint was. He wrote a chapter in Project 2025 about basically how to use the executive office of the president. And he was, you know, totally transparent with his intentions.

And so he viewed the idea of strengthening the White House as a way of basically returning power to the American people. And so he laid out a blueprint of how he would use the OMB, how he'd use the agencies under the OMB, including the Office of Personnel Management, to basically shake up the civil service, to traumatize it, to shrink it.

And so he viewed the idea of strengthening the White House as a way of basically returning power to the American people. And so he laid out a blueprint of how he would use the OMB, how he'd use the agencies under the OMB, including the Office of Personnel Management, to basically shake up the civil service, to traumatize it, to shrink it.

And so he viewed the idea of strengthening the White House as a way of basically returning power to the American people. And so he laid out a blueprint of how he would use the OMB, how he'd use the agencies under the OMB, including the Office of Personnel Management, to basically shake up the civil service, to traumatize it, to shrink it.

and then to push through, you know, very, very robust ideas. So, you know, we've talked a bit about how he'd like a full-on ban on abortion. That's not something he can do, but he can do things in terms of trying to restrict immigration.

and then to push through, you know, very, very robust ideas. So, you know, we've talked a bit about how he'd like a full-on ban on abortion. That's not something he can do, but he can do things in terms of trying to restrict immigration.