Simon Sebag Montefiore

And, you know, the Israeli nation is a very recent creation, and it has its own characteristics, as we all know well. The Palestinian... nation, whether these people, these ultra-nationalists in Israel like it or not, now exists. It exists. And there's no point in deluding oneself that it doesn't exist. And it exists. It's not going anywhere. The Israeli nation exists. It's not going anywhere.

And, you know, the Israeli nation is a very recent creation, and it has its own characteristics, as we all know well. The Palestinian... nation, whether these people, these ultra-nationalists in Israel like it or not, now exists. It exists. And there's no point in deluding oneself that it doesn't exist. And it exists. It's not going anywhere. The Israeli nation exists. It's not going anywhere.

I personally believe that the original ideas of partitions is a sound one because it's the way that all modern nations or many many modern nations were created and this we've been full circle from what we were talking about at the beginning very neatly Barry um brilliantly done but you know I said Turkey Greece Ireland the biggest example Indian Pakistan you

I personally believe that the original ideas of partitions is a sound one because it's the way that all modern nations or many many modern nations were created and this we've been full circle from what we were talking about at the beginning very neatly Barry um brilliantly done but you know I said Turkey Greece Ireland the biggest example Indian Pakistan you

I personally believe that the original ideas of partitions is a sound one because it's the way that all modern nations or many many modern nations were created and this we've been full circle from what we were talking about at the beginning very neatly Barry um brilliantly done but you know I said Turkey Greece Ireland the biggest example Indian Pakistan you

in 1947, right before the creation of Israel. All of these were created by drawing lines because when you have a nation state, you have to have boundaries somewhere, and no one knows what the right boundaries are, and humankind doesn't really fit in its sects and ethnicities doesn't fit these lines. But that's the way nation states are supposed to exist. You can't have no borders.

in 1947, right before the creation of Israel. All of these were created by drawing lines because when you have a nation state, you have to have boundaries somewhere, and no one knows what the right boundaries are, and humankind doesn't really fit in its sects and ethnicities doesn't fit these lines. But that's the way nation states are supposed to exist. You can't have no borders.

in 1947, right before the creation of Israel. All of these were created by drawing lines because when you have a nation state, you have to have boundaries somewhere, and no one knows what the right boundaries are, and humankind doesn't really fit in its sects and ethnicities doesn't fit these lines. But that's the way nation states are supposed to exist. You can't have no borders.

And so somebody had to draw those borders.

And so somebody had to draw those borders.

And so somebody had to draw those borders.

Why? That's the way this has developed over decades. And the Palestinians faced an unbearable trauma in the creation of Israel. There's no way around that. And they were not alone in that. A million Indians and Pakistanis suffered similar trauma in the creation of India and Pakistan. A million Greeks suffered the same experience. 11 million people...

Why? That's the way this has developed over decades. And the Palestinians faced an unbearable trauma in the creation of Israel. There's no way around that. And they were not alone in that. A million Indians and Pakistanis suffered similar trauma in the creation of India and Pakistan. A million Greeks suffered the same experience. 11 million people...

Why? That's the way this has developed over decades. And the Palestinians faced an unbearable trauma in the creation of Israel. There's no way around that. And they were not alone in that. A million Indians and Pakistanis suffered similar trauma in the creation of India and Pakistan. A million Greeks suffered the same experience. 11 million people...

in 1945, had to traipse and leave their homes in the fall of Germany, the creation of modern Poland, the moving of the borders westwards of the Soviet Union.

in 1945, had to traipse and leave their homes in the fall of Germany, the creation of modern Poland, the moving of the borders westwards of the Soviet Union.

in 1945, had to traipse and leave their homes in the fall of Germany, the creation of modern Poland, the moving of the borders westwards of the Soviet Union.

No, there isn't. Those refugees all settled wherever they settled, and they didn't try and go back. And the reason why this happened in Israel is because of the nature of the history of the Holy Land, and also the fact that it was the first country created by the new organization, the United Nations. and according to international law.

No, there isn't. Those refugees all settled wherever they settled, and they didn't try and go back. And the reason why this happened in Israel is because of the nature of the history of the Holy Land, and also the fact that it was the first country created by the new organization, the United Nations. and according to international law.

No, there isn't. Those refugees all settled wherever they settled, and they didn't try and go back. And the reason why this happened in Israel is because of the nature of the history of the Holy Land, and also the fact that it was the first country created by the new organization, the United Nations. and according to international law.