Sinead Mowlds

In terms of what we need...

The massive gap really is when it comes to fruit and veg, like Seamus said.

The official definition from the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization states that it means access to sufficient, safe and nutritious food that meets dietary needs.

So it is not just about calories.

What it means today, where we've moved to with sustainable food systems thinking, it means that our food systems should be providing food that nourishes both people and planet.

And a diversity of food is needed for that.

It's about specialisation, what you're describing is specialisation.

And to an extent, yes, I think more nuance is needed, more diversification.

So the short answer is no.

I think for resilience, for food security and also for taste and quality, we need to be producing some of that fruit and veg here at least.

And we do currently import...

Thousands of tons of onions, carrots, cabbage, lettuce, even potatoes, which we could be growing here, which, as Seamus said, there are other benefits to that that we don't see beyond dietary diversity, even and including economics.

There are the social sustainability component of what it means to be a sustainable food system or a resilient food system.

And the social ties that come with short supply chains that the likes of Seamus are engaged in, that's huge.

That's an element of sustainability that cannot be replicated in the global trade.

Yes.

So I think there's a number of things that we can be doing and that we are doing, in fact.

So Ireland has committed through Food Vision 2030 to become a leader in sustainable food systems.

And at the moment, so in terms of repurposing agricultural subsidies, at the moment, globally, we don't have national figures.

About half a trillion dollars are spent on supporting agriculture.