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14,000?

14,000?

And it also compounds because the more you lose the room, the worse your performance becomes. And then even less compelling to even the viewer now.

And it also compounds because the more you lose the room, the worse your performance becomes. And then even less compelling to even the viewer now.

Like by far, by far. A lot of people were saying that as well.

Like by far, by far. A lot of people were saying that as well.

Yeah. So now Ben, to you, right? I guess in the same vein-

Yeah. So now Ben, to you, right? I guess in the same vein-

When you used to do... The Late Late Show... Which obviously you used to do... You're also EP of... There was in some ways... An extension of the work you do at the Grammys... So for example... The week leading up to the Grammys... Sometimes you'd have a guest on... That would throw forth to the Grammys... And if anything were to happen... Because it's only one night at the Grammys... If anything were to happen... On the Sunday evening...

When you used to do... The Late Late Show... Which obviously you used to do... You're also EP of... There was in some ways... An extension of the work you do at the Grammys... So for example... The week leading up to the Grammys... Sometimes you'd have a guest on... That would throw forth to the Grammys... And if anything were to happen... Because it's only one night at the Grammys... If anything were to happen... On the Sunday evening...

you'd have had an opportunity maybe on the Monday evening to interview whomever the person was, clarify whatever needs to be clarified, et cetera, and so on. Without the Late Late Show now, do you find that you don't get to do a do-over? Is that something that actually filters into your mind at all? Because I used to obviously see the synergy between the two shows.

you'd have had an opportunity maybe on the Monday evening to interview whomever the person was, clarify whatever needs to be clarified, et cetera, and so on. Without the Late Late Show now, do you find that you don't get to do a do-over? Is that something that actually filters into your mind at all? Because I used to obviously see the synergy between the two shows.

Just having, you know, been around in proximity to you guys, I'd see how the one would work with the other.

Just having, you know, been around in proximity to you guys, I'd see how the one would work with the other.

And isn't that kind of, I suppose, the nub and the joy of doing a show like the Grammys, that it's actually so consequential in so many people's lives. If you do one of your evening shows, one of your evening shows, yeah, you can make a person feel good. But you do the show on behalf of the Academy. It literally means so much to all of those artists that are in attendance at night.

And isn't that kind of, I suppose, the nub and the joy of doing a show like the Grammys, that it's actually so consequential in so many people's lives. If you do one of your evening shows, one of your evening shows, yeah, you can make a person feel good. But you do the show on behalf of the Academy. It literally means so much to all of those artists that are in attendance at night.

And so while you're not in charge of like who wins and who loses- you certainly are in charge for example of who gets to perform and in what way. That's right. Right. And you've also got a very personal relationship with the artists. I've seen it. I've experienced it. Does it ever get to a point where... Not all of them. That's exactly it. Does it ever get to a point where it adds to attention?

And so while you're not in charge of like who wins and who loses- you certainly are in charge for example of who gets to perform and in what way. That's right. Right. And you've also got a very personal relationship with the artists. I've seen it. I've experienced it. Does it ever get to a point where... Not all of them. That's exactly it. Does it ever get to a point where it adds to attention?

Or I suppose then will make your relationship even better because of a decision you've taken.

Or I suppose then will make your relationship even better because of a decision you've taken.