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I caught him doing breakfast.

He was literally saying, I'm just having breakfast, but what you're saying sounds great, so let's do it.

There was no hesitation.

And it was a combination of people from TESO and Hurt who took over the Frag Magazine in 2000 or revived the Frag Magazine in the year 2000.

Yeah, well, first one already was the first hardcover release ever.

So we decided we want to land with a big bang and decided for a very first release, not just are we going to write

all the articles ourselves, we also create the first hardcover release, which we release at a hack conference, a physical copy.

It was fantastic.

It was a fantastic success.

I think we printed 800 hardcopies or so.

We all picked them up with a car, with a rented car.

And these hardcopies are heavy.

We picked them up in the printer in the Netherlands, and the car almost crashed with all the...

with all the load in the trunk on the back seats.

We drove to the conference and went to the main tent and announced that we are going to distribute frack in half an hour.

And we had a great party and handed out the magazines and lots of alcohol and celebrating and talking about it.

It was a fantastic time.

Yeah, around that time, there was a movement called the anti-security movement.

And it was around the time when hacking really got commercialized.

And