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And she sounded amazing.
She really did.
And I'm glad that she had that because it's like fans like us to be like, yes.
And she has, in the past, sung in ways that can be shocking to hear.
I will never forget the TikTok that's like when your friend's blowing up the air mattress at three in the morning and it's where she's going, I'm loving angels.
Well, yeah, she used to.
I don't know who the fuck was telling her, like, because she is so naturally talented.
Like, guys, look up.
Jessica Simpson in high school singing when she's doing that like musical.
It was a musical.
And then she said that like the parents said she couldn't perform in the musicals anymore because she was too talented.
And too gorgeous.
And that's the truth.
And her breasts were too big.
And they were like, we're scared that the dads are going to like, oh, God, this woman's been too much.
Oh, I know what I was going to say is who would have ever thought it would be us who would be saying this?
Listen to our Jessica Simpson episode.
That's for real that the preacher was like, she can't like.
be in the choir or whatever because the lust.
The lust?
When she was like, what, 15?
Yes.
And I'm like, honey, that's a you problem.
Maybe tell the men that would be lusting after a teenager to get the hell out.
Yeah, you sickos.
But no, all we do is protect men.
Well, of course.
Yeah.
So we're excited to see Jessica.
We're learning about Brooks Nader still, you know.
It's always a process.
It's always a process.
It's always a journey.
Well, shall we get into Salt Lake City?
Yes.
Actually, I think that we should take a little break and then we'll get into Salt Lake City.
Of course.
I got too excited, you guys.
Okay, you guys, we are back and we are ready to talk about Salt Lake City.
Let's get the hell into it, Claire.
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There is still a part of me that is a little frustrated because it's not Housewives, it's camp.
I was like, oh, we're doing Blair Witch Project.
You know, I actually do usually like a camping episode.
Like, I really liked the camping episodes of Beverly Hills where they go in the RV and play beer pong, and Dorit's really good.
So I was talking about camp like I'm looking camp straight in the eye.
But you're also right.
Would you say double entendre?
Double entendre.
Is that what that is?
Yeah.
Yeah?
Because we say so.
Like, it's a show all on its own.
We're going to make it that today.
Yeah.
But camp and camp.
Camp and camp.
Right.
I would have been pissed.
Love camp to watch it.
Would have been so fucking angry if...
Like, can you imagine like us doing that in our group of girlfriends being like, we're going to have a luxurious weekend and then an RV pulls up and we have to sleep in there together.
And once we really accepted that, then we could lean in.
That's I'm like, I need to see the logistics of how this is going to play out.
Also, it's one thing to be doing the RV of it all.
It's quite another to be not prepared in the slightest.
They had no food.
They looked freezing the whole time.
I was so uncomfortable.
Guys, I don't know who needs to hear this, but I do think we should just like take a moment to talk about it.
Have food for people wherever you go.
Have food for people wherever you go when they, if you're hosting, when they arrive.
Truly.
The first step is acceptance.
If you are like, oh, like it's fine just having drinks.
No, no, no.
It's fine.
Just order something.
No, have a snack.
Just have food for people.
Have you learned nothing?
I was so upset that they didn't even have like, they had like wheat bread or something for the, I just would have been so pissed.
I would have been like, this is not what I signed up for.
Well, that is true.
All they had was Tito's handle or yeah, handle of Tito's vodka and sparkling water.
I was also like, Jesus Christ, are we back in 2012 drinking just, why do they just have the handle of Tito's?
And also, it still pisses us off to this day when people are like, my favorite show ever on – or, like, my favorite Housewives is Salt Lake City.
Although they did have that white wine, that Sauvignon Blanc that we were drinking the other night.
Before the movie?
Before the movie.
It has an H. I don't know what brand that is.
Tastes like a pear.
It's so good, you guys.
So at least I got the Savion Blanc right, but I guarantee you it was not chilled.
But God, you guys, like, please just, even if you're all un-Ozempic, please just have some snacks.
Like, I know that no one really has an appetite, but like, I do.
Wow, that's such a good point.
I didn't even think about that.
Yeah.
Mary Cosby eating that dry ass bagel.
She really made me laugh and she was like, she would come fix this dinner, Molly Swanson or whatever her name is.
I was dying because I was like, it triggers me that she's eating that big right now.
Because you just know how I feel about picky eaters when they won't eat anything that you have.
And it's like, I'll just have this.
And I'm like, just go with the flow.
Just go with the flow.
But, like, they really didn't have that much, though.
It's like it literally was like a hot dog or a dry bagel, you know?
And I know not everyone wants a hot dog, and I can understand it.
Like, that's not my truth, but I get if you don't want to eat a hot dog.
I do get it.
We do.
Okay, so we open with the Blair Witch Project thing, which they're already having us believe that someone's going to go missing in the woods.
And it's like, you guys...
It is just, but once again, they know it's just so ridiculous and might as well start on that tone.
So you just like are in the zone.
Yeah, you're so right.
And there was a voiceover by Miriam Cosby.
And I saw in your notes that you feel like she's in a good place.
And it's like, if you have not watched Vintage New York or Beverly Hills or Potomac or Jersey, like –
I agree with you to some extent.
I just feel.
Okay.
So in the beginning, like we see her kind of like skipping to the RV almost in a way.
And like, I love her and Angie's friendship.
And I'm so worried that it will not survive the season because I think that Mary pushes away true love.
She will not get over what happened.
And you know that there's because of their conflict last season.
I think that it's going to be about something else.
I think that Mary thinks that, like, she's so all or nothing, and the second she thinks someone slightly doesn't have her back because she's had to be in survival mode her whole life, she's like, well, I will push you out of my life to protect myself.
There's no way this is going to withstand the season.
No.
But all's to say is that in the past, we just never saw any brightness to Mary in the slightest.
No.
There was lights were on, but nobody was home.
What the hell are you doing in Atlanta?
Like...
And I do think that her and Robert Sr.
are like living separately basically at this point.
And I think that is for the best.
Thank God.
Thank God.
I worry about Robert Jr.
and I wish him well and I think we're going to find out more.
I hope he's doing okay.
I really do.
I just don't know.
I just don't know.
Yeah.
What are you doing?
I did say why am I comforted seeing Britney on my screen and then immediately went back and like crossed out that note being like you are bugging the shit out of me.
I love seeing Brittany on my screen.
Tell me that you don't really watch Bravo without telling me that you don't really watch Bravo.
I loved, okay, you know what I feel?
I was very, very entertained by her last season.
I think she's a great addition to the cast.
I do hate when a newer housewife specifically like starts to be someone's mouthpiece.
And I hate that she is now like claim that she is now like I'm Lisa's best friend.
And I was like, I don't like this storyline.
It's just so sad because literally everyone's like, Lisa doesn't give a shit about you, Brittany.
No, and it's just such a bad look that I was like, stop.
It's all we need to know.
It's also just so random.
But you know what is a good look?
A bikini and a fur coat.
That was iconic.
And only she can really do that.
When someone says that, I'm like, look, I like it.
And you genuinely are like, you didn't even do that for the cameras.
Like, that's just how you operate.
Like, your mind operates that way.
Yeah, she, I am excited to get more from her.
I don't want her to be full-time cast.
Absolutely not.
Because there's only so much you can take.
No, and she can't handle it.
She can't handle it.
No, God, she can't.
Her mental health would be like, honey, you're not meant to do this.
It's a nice cherry on top.
You are not meant to do this.
Full-time.
They are all waiting at Beauty Lab and Laser at the front.
Okay, do we have any Utah Rammies that have ever been to Beauty Lab and Laser?
Is it the foundation?
Why do they always meet there?
Is it, like, central to all their houses, you think?
I think that Heather, like, just wants promotion.
I guess it still is a successful business.
I mean, it's like a full med spa, which always gives me pause.
Guys, it's like if they have like a hundred different things that you can do, just be careful.
Be careful what you're putting into your face.
Like a facial is lovely, but injectables is a whole other thing.
No, truly, every time I hear someone say that, I do the tubby face or the...
Yeah, just take a beat.
Take a beat.
But okay, the strippers, what did you think about all that?
I was just like, I don't know.
Honestly, that part of the episode, I was like, I could fast forward this.
There's just something about strippers on Housewives that feels so like, all the women are like, oh my God, and we're going to talk.
It just feels so trite and trite.
You know, it's dumb to me.
Well, when Whitney was like, you wouldn't believe how hard it was to find strippers in Utah.
I was like, was it?
Because I've seen so many strippers from Utah on my screen lately with Mormon talk and like with this.
It really, guys, it makes us irrationally angry.
I feel like they must be, they're busy.
I feel like it's a huge city for strippers because, like, that's all they have for, like, an outlet, you know?
And, like, that makes them feel naughty and crazy to, like, hire strippers.
I don't – I wouldn't want strippers.
Like, I was thinking about this.
I was like, I just – that wouldn't have been, like, fun for me on my bachelorette trip if you guys ordered strippers.
I'd be like, why?
Why?
I think it makes people just feel, like, uncomfortable.
It's just a little, like, I was truly thinking, like, the reality of if that happened, I think everyone would be like, okay, like, why are they here and I don't want them touching me?
And it's just very... And, like, listen, you guys know we're not ones to clutch our pearls, but I think it does make me clutch my pearls a little bit.
And it's just like, it's not a cute look, okay?
I say as the person who...
danced on a Chippendale.
But I loved Magic Mike.
That was so fun.
It's just different when they, like, come into your space and, like, it's not like a performance.
It's always the awkward moment where they're cleaning up and, like, gathering their things, and you're just like, hey, thank you for your service.
You have to go back to the start.
The lights go on.
Yeah.
And it's jarring.
It is jarring.
Speaking of Whitney Rose, I really thought I was going to love The Red and
It's a little copper.
I think we could use some toner.
Okay.
I was talking to Alice about this.
I actually like it, and it fits her specifically to me.
You have to.
I agree.
Like, it is a little bit too red or too orange.
Yes.
But I kind of feel like it's like a look.
Like, I kind of like it.
It's Whitney.
Just on her.
I wouldn't like this on anyone else, but I was like, you kind of look sexy.
And we're going, I do want to talk about some other pop culture things before we get into Salt Lake.
You have such – oh, I think we need to tell people.
Like, you have such a soft spot for Whitney and Justin.
I do.
I truly would be really upset if they got divorced.
You know, I know their love story started in a naughty little way with, like, both of them cheating on each other's spouses.
But I do believe that there is real love there.
I think that they have a lot of sex with each other.
I root for her.
I think, like, she has – she's hard to root for sometimes.
She is.
But I still root for her.
I agree.
I think that they have a lot of sex.
I –
think that they will be their own demise like as we see oh my god we've got to talk about her business but i just like will never forgive them for the painting scene
No, that was not good.
And no wonder that his company was like, what the hell are you doing, you stupid fool?
I can't imagine something more humiliating than, first of all, having a scene with you and your significant other painting your naked bodies, basically, and then to have your company call you into the office and be like, we saw it.
But just know, you guys, obviously, we are recapping Salt Lake.
No, guys, it's actually when you really think about it.
I was thinking my husband works in a very different industry that's a lot more serious than what we do.
If I was like, you need to cut, like, let's do a vlog of, like, doing something like that for Ram.
Like, it's wild, you guys, that he would agree to do, like, to do this.
Let's do a vlog.
You know what I mean?
Like, in certain industries, you can't do shit like that.
Of course we are.
Like, reality stars, yes.
Content creators, sure.
Yeah.
He really risked it all.
He also wants the thing.
He does.
I mean, he loves a little bit of a wild side.
What is on your mind?
That's why he's with Whitney Wild Rose, you know, like the veneers, the like, what was it?
What was he wearing?
That suit that almost gave like a Brooks Marks suit, like that fake Fendi suit.
Pop culture.
I feel like I'm like dead inside with pop culture.
He loves it.
I like it.
Guys, I can't explain it.
I find him attractive.
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, Tess has a crush on him.
Yeah, I do.
You're hearing it first.
Okay.
Come for me.
It's her truth.
I can't believe they lost everything, Tess.
But can we just say, can we just give Whitney some props for... Not a lot of housewives actually would ever be that vulnerable and honest about that experience.
I have a few things to bring up to you.
I completely agree.
And I appreciate that about Whitney.
Well, first of all, I do need to talk about Oppenheimer.
And I appreciate that about Whitney in general, that she will put it all out there.
And sometimes she puts it all out there with the intent of being like, I can use this for the rest of the season to get more.
And she can sometimes be...
manipulative about it but I think she can like hold on a little bit too long of like if someone's mad at her she'd be like well my business folded you should be like and I think that can be a problem with Whitney but I do love how vulnerable she is like especially compared to someone like Lisa who is struggling who would never just sit down and be like you know what guys
yeah, we fucked up or it's hard or we lost some money, which I can't, that's why I can't stand Lisa.
Give us five minutes to talk about Oppenheimer.
I can't stand her.
I do not miss her in this episode.
I love Baby Gorgeous.
I do think it's unforgivable to not show up to the first episode.
So I've heard that one of the reasons that she didn't show up is because the negotiations were still happening, the contract negotiations, and she wanted more money, I guess.
That was a rumor, the rumor and the nastiness that I heard.
Who said that?
Who's that?
Danny Pellegrino on his podcast.
Oh, really?
He said that he heard that.
He's going to be recapping again.
Thank God.
Okay.
Oh, of course.
Thank God.
Yeah.
So that could have been one.
I can also see her.
Here's the thing.
This is what bugs me when housewives do this.
And on any reality show.
Claire just watched it for the first time last night.
We saw it with Ava Max on Action NYC, where they think, I am too good for you guys, so I don't need to show up.
No, you're not.
You're on the show.
Also, you need to show up and make a paycheck, especially maybe, allegedly, maybe gorgeous.
We recorded our history episode about it yesterday.
Like, I am worried about you guys.
Yeah.
Well, that is what – and I know that like a lot of people think Lisa is iconic.
And I actually do want to ask you a question about that in a second.
But that is something that bothers me about her is that you can tell that she thinks she's too big for the show and that she's the fan favorite.
And like that is kind of how she plays out every storyline of like, well, you can't ask me that.
And I'm so excited for you guys to hear that episode.
You can't attack me.
I'm being gained up on.
But then she does it to everyone.
Yeah.
And I don't want to yuck your yum because I know you really like her, but I genuinely am curious.
Like, do you think she is as iconic as she used to be?
Do you see any, like – do you see her falling from grace?
I think that she just needs to be careful.
I think that she needs to be careful not so much on the show, just in, like –
real life.
Like it seems that she might be getting ahead of herself and I worry for her on that.
She still makes me laugh so much.
So she was like, I'm going to be hanging out with Ben and Blake.
Like that really made me laugh.
Like she just is funny to me.
Okay.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
I just I wish I could see the humor.
I just see her as such a dark and I find her so annoying.
I think that's the only way I can describe her.
I'm just like, shut up.
Also, this is so us to be like two years later talking about it.
Yeah, you're not endeared by her.
I'm so endeared by her.
I also like thought the montage of her like going off on people was iconic and like really funny and crazy.
Like I forgot that she said that like Meredith does pills.
I mean, she can say the most insane things about her so-called friends, everyone on the cast.
And the second that someone's like, you're having some financial issues, she starts crying and threatening to sue them.
And I find it – sometimes I actually do find it like a –
Like a dead end.
I'm like, you have to be a little bit – you can't just say I'm going to sue you and we can't talk about this and go to producers.
I'm like, you need to be a castmate.
Well, the frustrating thing about Lisa is more to me that everyone else is afraid of her.
Yes.
Everyone sucks Lisa's dick in like a major way.
And it's crazy because it's like, no, you guys – well, the only person who's not afraid of Lisa is Whitney.
And I think that's why I have such like a fondness of Whitney that I'm like, she doesn't care.
She goes up against her.
She'll say whatever to her and she gives it straight back and no one else can do that.
I bet everyone is just skipping through it right now, but we need this, you guys.
Like, oh my God, Heather is so annoying with Lisa.
Heather is forever stuck in high school though of like wanting to be the popular girl so bad and Lisa is the popular girl and Lisa will shine her light on her for a second and
Heather will grasp onto that and be like, maybe it's my time.
It's never going to be your time, babe.
Not with Lisa.
Honey, never.
You need to let that go and you need to have more of a backbone.
I know we're all over the place, but because we are talking about Lisa, let's just keep it that way.
We need this.
I feel like with our recaps, let's just do what we want to do.
We're not going to go in chronological order with our recaps.
We're just going to give our thoughts.
It's not who we are.
Like, it's not who we ever will be.
I did go to Reddit to get some more information about Lisa's finances.
So my initial thought on Oppenheimer, like the movie, what the events occurred, I just have to say something.
Okay.
Tell me.
Okay.
By the way, I do want to circle back eventually to Whitney's finances.
Oh, let's talk about it right after.
Okay, great.
I mean, the financial aspect was such a huge part of the premiere.
Like, all of them struggling.
I think that all of them are deeply struggling.
Season six, that makes sense around this time of Housewives where people have got, they got too cocky the first few seasons.
Except, do you think Bronwyn is struggling?
I actually don't think she is just because of the necklace.
Financially.
Financially.
I mean, everything else, yes.
I do believe she's not okay.
Let's be specific.
Yeah, financially, emotionally, spiritually, she is in hell.
But it would be insane for even the richest person to buy a $4 million necklace and be like, whatever.
Like, that is a house.
That is...
That's crazy.
I appreciate that she was like, yeah, I did it to try to fit in and I got caught up in it.
But Bronwyn does this thing where she puts on this like, I did it to try to fit in and I am so sorry.
It's so good.
And then she'll try to like smile through all this.
Todd and I are fine.
And it's like, we can stop.
She tries to... God, who does she... She reminds me of like a type of person where like they're like expressing something that's a little bit more personal and they're just like nodding and they're kind of trying to like therapize and manipulate you.
Say it.
And they're like, yeah, it was for my own safety.
Yes, exactly.
She puts on a defense mechanism of a character that I don't know if that's who she actually is.
When the words of a sister come back in whispers, that proves she was not...
It feels more like it's a defense mechanism.
I think who this woman is, is...
How do I say this?
I think she is a very aggressive, intense, hit-below-the-belt type of woman.
And she pretends to be... I think she is saying the meanest things that you could imagine about all these women.
I think she's mean to Todd.
I think she's kind of mean...
I think she's I think she's I don't think she's I think she's scared of Todd.
I genuinely think that she I believe it that I think she talks mad shit about the other women.
I think she's scared of Todd.
That's true.
I'm remembering how they acted last season on that trip.
And that was the way that he talks to her.
I think that she's intense to like her daughter and her friends.
I do.
I actually don't think she's intense with her daughter either.
With Gwen, I think that they have like a very – they've gone through hell together.
And Gwen seems to really love her.
I know.
I just see Bronwyn as something that she is not.
Like I think that she like has these two sides to her that I'm like how far does it go with everyone in your life?
funny what whole wow when i saw everyone turn on him i was like how fucking dare you isn't it devastating like all of these men that were like kissing his ass and like they were truly like to be in his presence was a they were lucky to be with someone so genius and then them saying that he's a spy
Like I just think she's kind of faking it all around.
Well, I don't think that Bronwyn's ever had permission to be herself because I think that within the church and her family, she has always been like told you can't.
can't be yourself.
And so that's like this persona.
And then she met Todd.
And so she's like, I have to be this rich older woman who is like, has it all together.
And so it's like, who is the real Bronwyn?
I, that's just how I feel.
And I did actually really start last season by liking her and rooting for her and being like, and then towards the end, I just remember getting, I just felt very like, like I felt like an eerie energy with her and her marriage and everything.
And now I'm like, I need to see how I feel again about you.
I'm like giving it time.
Yeah.
I initially like Bronwyn.
I don't like Todd and his freaking Starbucks cups.
Like, who collects those?
Sorry if you collect them.
It's just a hard relationship to see.
And look, maybe I am totally judging her on being with this man.
Maybe I am.
I'm just like, I feel weirded out by their relationship and their dynamic.
It feels very like Erika Girardi.
Wow.
I think that might be something that we may see play out.
Not like with the legality of it all, but with their relationship.
Just
the power dynamics of her kind of like serving him like my husband is my king sort of thing really triggers me and i think i'm judging her for that a little bit i think that's fair just to be completely honest but what's reddit saying about lisa okay what reddit is saying about lisa so the girlies are saying that she actually does not make a big profit at all from vita tequila and that vita tequila and guys it's so hard to have like an alcohol company that's not tito's or like
Like, unless your company is bought by, like, Budweiser or, like, Bush, whatever the, like, conglomerate thing of it is.
Yes.
And even that, like, I think a lot of people get bought out by one of those major companies and that, like, levels things off because they were so deeply in the red.
You are, like, bleeding money.
And, like, I think the way that she presents it is, like, you know, of course she is a –
Good businesswoman in the way that she is, like, every episode that she is in, she's talking about Vita.
She's hosting something with Vita.
They're not making any money from Vita.
And then her other Lux Marketing, which is, like, her event company where, you know, she stated when she got on the show, like, I am the queen of Sundance.
I do –
So her events, she has hosted like 10 events at Sundance through the years.
And people are like they usually are in a like dingy, dimly lit bar that nobody goes to.
That like a sad promoter is outside trying to get them in.
Like she is not – she is all smoke and mirrors with the Sundance thing.
And that she –
went into debt for that company pretty early on, and she asked for a $40,000 loan.
$40,000, that's a pretty small loan in, like, business.
And they said no.
I mean, all this is alleged, by the way, by Reddit.
I totally believe that, though.
Yeah, this is just what the girls are saying, and that they also committed fraud, especially with regard to private capital funding.
So, yeah, I believe all of this.
Does John...
Work just for like Vita and all that stuff?
Like, does he have a job outside of all of this?
I think he did before they got on the show.
And then I think like during the show, I don't think he works for another company.
I think it's all like for their stuff.
Well, what about their son's shampoo company?
How's that?
What's the profit on that?
See, guys, it's just, like, once you think about it, you're like, I think they're those people that are addicted to being like, let's do another LLC.
Let's get another company.
Let's – and they don't have the money for it.
But I always thought that with them.
Like, I never thought that they were actually making money.
See, like, I did, but I'm so easily influenced by, like, any housewife that's like, I'm doing really well.
And also, he was rooting for you.
I'm like, oh, like – No, I've –
I truly thought that they were.
If we've never heard of Vita before, like, it's not like this is Casa Amigos.
He was all rooting for you.
You know what I mean?
Like, I had never heard of Vita before.
Also, like, their house screams rental house with, like, no real... But that's all salt, like, except for, like, Ronwen's house and Mary's house and those houses are... Well...
He stuck up for all those men in different situations.
There are rumors that on Salt Lake City specifically, right, a lot of those are rentals.
Yeah.
And, like, Meredith doesn't live there during – she's in New York during the year.
And, yes, like, obviously you guys renting – like, I rent – hello.
I'm also not on the Real Housewives of anything.
I think that, like, that should be – unless you're in New York, which, honestly, in New York, like, I would rather you own as well.
Like, where's the wealth?
Guys, we watch these shows to escape our own sad rental life.
We want them to be like, what's it like to have millions of dollars?
And, like, we don't want to see anything that makes us feel like, oh, God, they're not going to be able to afford, you know, the mortgage.
I was so pissed.
However, I will say that sometimes the lawsuit storylines on Housewives I grow tired of.
Same.
The lawsuit storylines and the blogger storylines I think, like, we need to put to rest.
It's a devastating story.
And sometimes, except vintage, like the psychic, like, you know, we saw someone and they're saying this.
Like, sometimes I'm just like, let's have actual, like, connections.
Yeah, actual connection.
I completely agree.
I mean, I think that this is all very real for Lisa, and she will never let on the truth.
Like, everything about it.
But we do all see the truth.
We know.
We all see the truth.
And I'm scared that the whole season is going to be everyone against her, which I don't mind.
I think that it's coming for her, and I think she deserves that, honestly.
But I'm scared that it's just going to be like, you can't pay your bills and stuff.
And it's like, where does that...
How can we get conflict really?
And the U.S.
government literally being like, we made you make this bomb.
Well, I think it seems like there's going to be some infidelity rumors as well with John coming in.
But I don't believe that.
I think John Barlow only has eyes for Lisa Barlow.
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I do love their love.
I actually agree.
I can't imagine him cheating on her.
I can't imagine her cheating on him.
And I know you don't agree, but I can.
You can?
I can't.
Because I almost see Lisa as being asexual, but I know that's not the truth because we know that
their favorite position is Lisa on top, bouncing.
Wow.
Yeah, there is... Wow.
I think I just... Maybe even two seasons ago, I'd be like, of course not.
Yeah, that you can't.
But with who?
I kind of can now.
Why did you make this bomb?
I feel like Lisa's someone that... She does have her eye on the prize.
Yeah, of course.
And her eye on the prize is, like, fame, money, attention, social climbing.
It was so crazy.
An album.
An album.
Like, I mean, there's rumors that she did... I mean, Meredith was like, you were...
Kissy Kissy, that guy last season.
And I'm like, those are, I don't think that that comes from nowhere.
I was like, Jesus Christ, like you made me dedicate my life to this for three years.
I mean, I think that Meredith, Meredith I know for sure has been out on these streets.
I believe that she and Seth have been open for 20 years.
I completely agree.
And I don't think that they sat down with each other and have been like,
hey, let's have an open relationship.
I think that they both just actively know the other person is cheating on them.
And it's like, don't ask, don't tell.
Exactly.
But with John and Lisa, I don't see that.
I think that they've always been monogamous, but I do think that she, this show has destroyed her.
I really do believe that.
Who did?
Oh, real quick, by the way, I just have to say this.
I think that because Andy Cohen loves Brooks Nader so much, I think he's going to try to set her up with John Mayer.
And I'm just going to say that.
I just, like, sense that in my heart.
I have nothing.
I don't even know if she's dating.
She might be married.
I don't know.
It was so crazy.
How old is this woman?
I think she's, like, 27.
John Mayer's, like, almost 50.
Like, let's not.
I'm not saying it's right.
I'm just saying it's something that I can see happening, and you heard it here first, and that does end up happening.
And it's also like, what are we doing?
Thank you for warning me.
Yeah.
Anyways, back to – who are we talking about?
Lisa and John?
Lisa and John, like I think that she would – I don't know.
Like someone that like – even like a finance guy that says that she's going to help them out or someone semi-famous she meets.
Like I just think she kind of – I don't know.
Like, what are we doing?
I think that she loves to flirt.
I just – I don't know if I can see her acting on it.
But again, I think that's because I can't really picture anything else besides Lisa on Top Bouncing.
I get it.
Yeah.
I get it.
Okay.
So Whitney's finances.
Oh my God.
Tess, I'm so upset.
I'm so upset.
What was her business again?
Why are we wasting our time?
Jewelry?
Well, she had the skincare line and jewelry.
And I think that she was just starting a bunch of businesses and they were literally putting all of their savings.
And she said that on past season.
The US government wasted so much time trying to prove that people were communist.
She's like, we're putting literally all of our savings into this.
So if it doesn't work out well, and I'm like, who told you to do that?
Guys, really try to get your shit financed from someone else, like another company, okay?
But even that, like, they might have had some financial help that you owe them in the end.
If you have investors, you have to pay your investors back.
Like, maybe let's not just, like, take your money and invest in projects that are happening and that are smart.
Get a financial advisor.
It's so scary because I just do think this is the housewife curse where, like, you get a lot of money at once.
Like, you're like, oh, I'm getting paid per season.
I'm getting these huge...
Brand deals.
Brand deals.
I'm getting to go on these shows.
And you get too excited.
I mean, it's just a group of white men just having nothing better to do and just bullying someone.
And then you're like, no, this does not last forever, this kind of money.
Well, I think that all of them saw Bethany Frankel and they were like, that can be me.
And I can't.
Has there been any other business besides Skinny Girl from Housewives that are so successful?
I mean, we have Vanderpump's businesses, but...
Who knows about that?
That's a great question.
Like, has anything else ever been?
What about like Loverboy?
Loverboy's trying.
I mean, I do think that Loverboy has made a footprint in pop culture, but like financially, I don't know.
Look, there she is.
Wow.
Loverboy.
Yes.
It's more like, I think it's like... Well, speaking of that, I think that Loverboy makes more money from merch than they do from alcohol sales.
I mean, what else is new?
A hundred percent.
Because people just want to be like, I watch the show.
No, literally, what else is new?
It's more like community.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm trying to think like...
Kyle Richards, no.
Filed by Allen, too.
It was not successful.
Lord knows I went in it every time I was in Beverly Hills.
Same.
I'm trying to think.
Potomac, no.
No.
Le Dom or Grand Dom.
Because we are seeing like very similar vibes, actually.
The candle.
The candle, the perfume, that wasn't happening either.
I mean, Happy Eddie, I'm hoping that their marijuana is, you know, going to be successful.
Yeah, I really, guys, like, let us know if you can think of anyone, but they're all trying, but they also need to, like, wake up, okay?
Wake that up.
I'm just saying, like, yeah, they all think they're going to be the next skinny girl, and it's just not going to happen.
Oh, my God.
Well, lest we forget Shannon's frozen salmon dinners with cream cheese on top.
My name's Claire Donald.
And I will say like,
When she was trying to lose weight.
And she made her own microwavable meals.
That was the darkness that I don't know how we ever recovered from.
The whole Jimmy Kimmel thing, we should all be very afraid.
I don't think we have.
I can't even think about it, Claire.
Like, God, that was so dark.
Yeah.
I mean, honestly, a whole episode of different housewives failed companies would be very – because some of them are just crazy.
Remember Wives by Wives?
Yeah.
Tamara and Vicky's Wine Company from season seven or eight.
Alexis Bellino's Dress Company that Jim Bellino funded.
Someone had a line of cuffs, of like jewelry cuffs from OC.
Oh, no, not Peggy.
Was it Peggy?
No, but, or was it Peggy?
Maybe it was.
It was one of the OG OC ladies, I think, had that.
Yeah.
Peggy made me so uncomfortable because they all just hated her.
We should be afraid.
It's just been tough.
Oh, Sparkle Dog Food.
That's from Dallas.
She made a pink dog food company.
If that doesn't shock you and disturb you and really scare you.
I love these women.
I do too.
I love these women.
And look, we love, like we were saying, we love how they want to be entrepreneurs and that they try.
That's amazing.
It takes so much courage to have your own business.
However, we can't just fund millions of dollars into skincare thinking that you're going to be the next Hailey Bieber.
I'm scared for Bobby.
Like how are they going to pay for Bobby's college?
Well, now it's all brand deals and being on the show.
And I hope that brands do like reach out to Whitney and like, hey, let's help you out because I'm scared.
Like, I actually felt scared last night.
You know what I did though appreciate because Brittany obviously was attacking her.
I do appreciate Brittany.
I just think I like the like, you know, just to be like authentic when she was like, wow, Whit, I'm really sorry.
My name is Tess Belomo.
I was like, and of course, TikTokers were posting of like, we should, you know, we should watch what we're saying right now.
Yeah, I shouldn't have said that.
And then she goes up to her and hugs her.
Brittany's so crazy.
But I was like, I like when a housewife comes and she's like, yeah, I'm sorry.
It's just like, I think it's so refreshing.
Brittany is so low stakes and that's what I appreciated about her too.
Did you see my notes that I was like, Brittany is so me being like, let's vlog this.
Here's the camera for everybody.
I love the camcorder.
Yeah, so Brittany and Jared are engaged and then unengaged.
I'm bored of the storyline.
I kind of want more.
I want to see him on my screen again, even though he disgusts me.
All of these mediocre men in Utah who are like stars of their community.
I'm also looking at Demi's husband.
Give me a break.
It's the exact same energy as Demi and what's his face?
What is his name?
I don't care.
Yeah, no, it's not good.
It's not good?
I do need to try the chicken salad from the Lifetime Cafe.
I believe that's what it's called.
And it's like...
Oh, so fascism.
I would like to try that now.
I would like to try that as well.
That did sound good.
Oh, that sounds good right now, actually.
I know.
I saw your note.
Would you rather kayak or fly fish?
Kayak.
I'd rather do neither.
It's not for me.
I mean, actually, every time I've gone kayaking, I find it very peaceful.
Okay.
I've gotten seasick on a kayak before.
Like, that's how bad my seasickness has been.
But they were on a river.
They weren't – because when I got seasick, I was in an ocean kayaking.
Yeah, I think a river – I got one – probably the worst sunburn of my life on my legs when I didn't put sunscreen on my legs.
Fascism, baby.
That's before I knew.
You're baking in a kayak.
It was like a lobster.
But it's just so cold.
They just look so cold.
You know what I think is a gorgeous – like, if I'm going to go on this kind of –
I want it to be Roni season six where they go to Montana and they bring a bottle of wine in a little boat and just kind of float at dusk.
Fascism.
Also, it's like the party of free speech, I'm saying with quotes.
And you can decide what activities you want to do every day.
There's like one more outdoorsy, one more silly.
I want that.
I don't want to be forced.
Same.
And I would like fish if I had like a martini or a bottle of wine or beer next to me.
I would love to go actually fishing, but I don't want to fly fish because I have been burned by fly fishing before.
I fell on the water.
My waders completely filled up.
It was Ms.
It was Les Mis.
Les Mis.
It just doesn't sound fun.
Also, I tried fishing once when I was like eight.
There are photos of me losing my goddamn mind of how fearful I was.
It's not who I am.
It's like, well, only when we're using hate speech can we use free speech.
Well, I don't think that we would thrive in fishing because we're too loud.
Yeah, I don't think that we – in so many ways, I just don't thrive in fishing.
But Meredith and Mary were cracking me up with the fishing, where she was like, you could bring the fish back to life, right?
That man was shook by them.
He was just like, I don't get paid enough to do this.
And like, are you guys okay?
Like, what's wrong with these women?
That's like –
Mary, like when she's like that, it really does make me laugh.
And also with Brittany, like on the bus, she said something to Brittany.
I forgot what it was.
And then if anyone else is going to say anything, you better zip it.
Oh, when she's like, can we drop you off at your house?
Brittany and Brittany and Mary's relationship really makes me laugh.
It's just a dynamic that we need more on Housewives of, like, they, like, kind of talk shit to each... I mean, they definitely talk shit to each other.
They're not afraid to, like, hurt each other with those little comments, which is, like, that's what we need for reality TV.
You guys, we have made it out of the drought.
While we were off to the races with Whitney being, like, you suck dick for money.
You know, it's not kind.
It's not kind.
Also...
Ladies, I think we got to stop with that.
No opinions, nothing except for MAGA being able to talk about people in a disgusting form.
It feels like an insult from 1992.
It really does.
And like if someone does sex dig for money, that's their journey and who cares?
If they want to, they can.
Truly, sex work is real work.
So like stop with that.
It feels very like conservative and like it's just like a cheap blow.
I completely agree.
And like Whitney, like she seems very empowered by sexuality.
Like I don't like that coming from her.
It was also so funny with Brittany being like, I can't even say it.
You, you, I can't even say it.
I was like, Brittany, come on.
She's 16 years old.
She acts, she has a brain of a 16 year old.
She really does.
And I am like curious to see what we get more from her, like her recording.
I can't get enough of those flashbacks of Meredith.
I'm like, do I even for you too?
Like, okay, noted.
She says something else.
You do a good Meredith.
Oh, thank you so much.
We didn't get much from her this episode.
I am like, honey, are you in there?
Yeah, it seems like the Second Amendment is really the only one that they're concerned with, and that is concerning to me.
Like, what is going on?
She is so allegedly, I think, just high out of her mind on something.
I think so, too.
I think so, too.
But I will say.
Oh, no, please.
No, no, I don't have anything to say.
I was just going to say I want a faux fur jacket.
Oh, I mean, I was watching that and I was like, I'm excited to pop back out my faux fur that I got last year.
There was one on sale at Ref that was originally $400.
Now it's $138, but it is leopard print.
But I'm like, I kind of want it.
Tess, get it.
That is such a good deal.
Also from Ref, like that's such a good deal.
I'm like, when is it ever?
It's a tropical storm here today and like 90 degrees.
But in the future, maybe I would want to wear it in LA.
No, I mean, I wore mine like quite a bit.
And mine's like, the thing that's kind of the problem about mine is that it's quite thick on top.
So it gives you like some broad shoulders.
So, yeah, that's, like, when I was watching Oppenheimer, I was like, God, it reminds me of that because of these, like, officials being like, ooh, we don't look so great here, so we're going to twist and turn it to make it how we want to.
But I think that that's like the look of it is like grand and like broad.
So 80s.
I love it.
It feels like intimidating to wear like a faux fur coat, but I think it makes such a look.
It's very like Olsen twins.
Yes.
And you're just like, she's a fashion girly.
Yeah.
I think that Whitney actually looks great.
Yeah, I think she did too.
I love her with the bob.
You know, I just really like to see some of these Utah women not be afraid to cut their hair.
I think it's like powerful because they all have long extensions that really don't look great.
It's crazy.
Well, speaking of hair, we haven't even talked about Angie.
Angie was a delight.
Angie is always a delight.
I love Angie.
She has grown on me so much and it took me a second.
But you know, like when Brittany brought out the camcorders and was like, here guys, like I was thinking we could do this and everyone's silent.
And Angie goes...
That's a great idea.
I was like, you're a sweet woman.
Angie is a sweet woman.
She is mama.
And like, she, I don't think, I was about to say, I don't think she has a mean bone in her body.
I don't know if that's true.
I think that she can say some really nasty things.
Wouldn't go that far, but do believe that she is sweet.
And I think she's a great mother.
I think she is too.
And like, I like seeing the photos of her in the RV with her kids.
It looks like she's like,
There's no Facetune.
She wasn't wearing makeup.
I was like, I think, like, if I met you in person, I'd be like, let me hold you.
Actually, hold me.
Hold me.
Like, we need her to hold us and, like, make us some Greek food.
I'm excited that they're going to Greece.
It's going to be – have they ever done, like, a really big cast trip like that?
I think they usually go, like, somewhere, like, local.
They go somewhere, like, kind of tropical because, like, when Jin Shaw punched Heather in the face, they were somewhere tropical.
So that's right.
So I don't know.
Has any housewife ever gone to Greece before?
I just love Greece.
Okay, so, like, the movie itself, I completely agree with you that I think that –
It's going to be so fun to see.
I love Greece too.
I don't think so.
And that's like we need to be exploring these areas more on Housewives.
We need to get out of the country.
And out of like don't go to the Cayman Islands or Mexico.
Let's just – I know.
Let's go somewhere just crazy.
Let's go somewhere crazy.
Has anyone – has a housewife trip ever gone to Japan?
No.
They went, no, I was trying to think of in Beverly Hills, they went to Hong Kong of, you don't know what I deal with at night.
God, that was a great trip.
That was like, that trip makes me feel sick to my stomach because there's just like such, it feels like high school where like they hate Dorit.
They all gain up on Dorit.
Like seeing Erica and Lisa be so mean to her.
I was like, it makes me sick.
I can't watch them.
That trip also was the one where Erica's like,
Isn't it that one?
Where she's like, I'm doing the hand motion.
But God, it's hard too because she's so mean to Eileen.
Wow.
Wow.
Sorry.
I'm like, you're one ally?
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is back and Bravo feels like home again.
Because that's very early on in Erika's career.
And Eileen was always like, Erika is that girl.
And Erika then turns on Eileen.
How dare you?
How dare you?
How dare you?
You know what I think would be fun as we near the end of this episode to talk about the most beautiful housewives that we think that we talked about in our group chat the other night?
I think that is a great place to wrap it up.
Not Ken Burns, but Ken Dahl.
I'm just making sure.
Oh, I accidentally said that Lisa's montage of all she knows, Meredith pooping pills.
I meant popping.
I don't think.
Could be pooping.
Could be pooping.
Probably is.
Yeah, I don't think that there's anything else that we really missed.
I think we covered all the good stuff.
I mean, like the meat was in the finances.
The meat was in the finances.
What's his name?
You're so right.
Okay.
The most beautiful housewives.
Giselle.
Giselle.
Monique.
Monique.
Candice, our girl Candice.
Ryan Gosling.
Candice, of course.
Yolanda Hadid.
Kristen Taichman.
Kristen Taichman.
My God.
But I am pretty.
What is it?
I might not be the brightest bulb or sharpest tool, but I am pretty.
I think Ryan Gosling was robbed of that Oscar from Robert Downey Jr.
She's like, that's what Josh says to me all the time.
I was like, I bet he does say that to you all the time.
And honey, that's emotional abuse.
Yeah, truly.
Brandy season three to me, like when she comes on and you're just like, what a hot little thing.
Kyle before all the work.
I just think she's like a Demi Moore, like 90s.
So beautiful.
And I still think that's beautiful.
Alexia from Miami.
Every time, her now, she truly is a Cuban Barbie.
And when they like show flashbacks, I just saw like, I rewound this past week's episode where they showed when she was like, I dated a cocaine cowboy.
I rewound and looked at that picture three times.
Gorgeous.
Gorgeous.
I said it.
Because you know what I mean?
Kiki.
Oh, my God.
Kiki is so... Dr. Nicole.
Dr. Nicole.
Kiki's dad.
I'm telling you.
I was like, that is a handsome man.
They also look the exact same age.
A gorgeous family.
A gorgeous family.
Dr. Nicole.
Sonia, when she first came on the scene, just so pretty.
Yeah.
Sonia and Kyle both look like Meryl Streep.
Sure, Robert Downey Jr.
They do.
Oh, my God.
Like, before, they're, like, nose jobs.
I'm like, guys.
I know.
Let's all stop looking the same.
I love, like, I love a distinct nose.
I do, too.
is great.
He's a great actor.
I think it's, like, the same thing with teeth.
Like, it gives you so much character.
Yes.
Like, let's all just stay looking like ourselves as much as we can.
Oh, my God.
Well, that will go back to the way it always does.
He's so natural.
He's so powerful.
And, unfortunately, like, I really wish we would stop using –
women's bodies as beauty standards and trends but the pendulum always swings the other way god it really really does yeah i just thought that'd be fun to go through all the our favorite hottest housewives well i um died oh cynthia bailey obviously too like the model um i died that dr nicole was like dancing on stage with bad bunny i i bet she i mean talk about a sexual couple i bet she and her she and anthony just have a good time don't they they really do they are they're that couple
But anyone probably could have done that in his level and been good.
That's all we need to say about that.
One more thing I want to bring up before we leave.
There is a promo with a teaser of Rachel Zoe on Beverly Hills.
I know.
I am saying all of her line.
That's bananas.
Like, I die.
It's going to – I'm happy she is on.
Me too.
And, like, it really took me back to, like, 2008 where I, like, would watch a Rachel Zoe project and try to be like her.
I completely agree.
I loved it.
It was so good.
It was such good reality TV.
I'm curious who she's going to, like, who's going to be in her group.
who the alliances will be with.
I'm very excited for Beverly Hills.
But only Ryan Gosling could have played Ken.
I hope good things.
Well, Andy said on Watch What Happens Live, I think, that Kyle said that the cast trip was on the level of the Amsterdam fight.
Okay, okay.
I'm not... I guess I'm excited.
I don't trust it, but I...
Wish for it.
We've been burned so much by Beverly Hills that it's hard to be hopeful, but we still have to find hope in the darkness.
We have to.
And I think it starts in, what, like a month?
And might I add...
I think soon, yeah.
Dorit's going to suck up to Rachel Zoe so much.
It's going to be hard to see, but, you know, we know.
We'll be watching it.
We will be.
Wow, what a fun episode, Tess.
Oh, so fun.
It was nice to have Salt Lake City back.
Nice to talk about something that happened two years ago at the beginning.
Of course.
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I said it.
I completely agree.
Like, it's so hard to even compare it.
And, like, they obviously, like, were up against everything with each other.
But, like, I mean, Barbie was one of my most impactful movies.
And I thought – I mean, I really thought Oppenheimer was amazing and, like, the –
Just the skill that it takes to make a movie like that, incredible.
We needed the connection.
But Barbie has a more special place in my heart, of course.
I think Oppenheimer was spectacular.
I think the writing of the character Oppenheimer was so well done.
I think it was so well acted on all fronts, firing on all cylinders.
And like, I will need to talk about Killian, my baby, in a second.
But Barbie was a complete original idea.
We needed the community.
Yeah, it's just a special movie.
It's like unlike anything you've ever seen before.
And Oppenheimer, a lot of Christopher Nolan movies are like that.
We needed the excitement.
It doesn't take away from how amazingly done they are.
But like they're all kind of, you know, they're really good and you know what you're getting.
So, yeah.
I agree.
I just think that the Academy doesn't value all forms of moviemaking.
And I think they really undervalue comedy and some levitate and females in film.
Yeah.
Yes, we needed just something, anything.
But, okay.
And now for Killian.
Yes.
That man.
I just am blown away.
His acting.
Everything about him.
I could swim in his eyes forever.
What a hard character to play.
And the whole time you're like, I am rooting for you.
I don't want you to be sad.
I mean, I don't know the last episode I watched of OC and I need to admit it.
I want you to be taken care of.
You're also creating the atomic bomb.
So like, yikes town.
But at the same time, like, baby girl.
Yeah.
So I really loved it.
And I can't wait for you guys to listen to the episode Monday.
Tess did a great job.
Oh, thank you so much.
I'm so glad that you finally watched it.
Yeah, I know that, you know, we are two years late in this conversation.
And it's so us, so whatever.
It's so us.
Okay, something else I wanted to bring to your attention.
Do you know who Brooks Nader is?
Why is she on Watch What Happens Live?
Like, what's going on?
Who is she?
She is the new girly pop.
Okay, so she and her sisters are from Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
And they grew up, like, really religious.
And then I think she won the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Competition last year.
And then she was like, it was very, I think what Hulu is trying to do is like it's the new Kardashians because she was like, I'm going to bring my sisters with me.
And so now they're like famous, like model.
She's a model.
And then I think they're all kind of influencers.
Did you ever watch the reboot of 90210 on CW?
Like, I mean, I think that's, I am caught up on OC and I do have thoughts, but it's not good.
No, I didn't.
She looks like the actress who plays Naomi, doesn't she?
Does she get that all the time?
I saw comments about that, that people on the Watch What Happens Live, because she was just on Watch What Happens Live last night, I think.
Yes, with Mark Ronson.
Yeah.
Okay.
Which, amazing.
Like, that man has had such a – has anything bad ever come out about him?
Because I feel like it hasn't, right?
I don't think so.
I think him and his sister are like Samantha Ronson, which she really was a moment.
I'm like, should I do the history of Samantha Ronson?
I've got to pick my next subject.
Yeah.
Claire, that would actually be – talk about all the women.
Talk about, like, all of the lesbian couples.
She was such a sexual awakening for so many women.
I mean, Erin Foster, who identifies as a straight woman, dated her for a year and was like, she swept me off my –
Claire, literally do her.
That would be so funny.
So they're like kind of nepo babies.
But anyways, yeah, Mark Ronson was on.
He seems like a sweet baby angel, and I do trust him.
I actually feel, and God, who knows?
I could regret saying this.
Same.
I feel like I would maybe feel safe in a room with him.
Same, Tess.
And you know what?
I equate Mark Ronson, and you guys will get this joke more on our Monday episode, with Albert Einstein, where it's like he has been around forever.
It's not good at all.
We were like, Mark Ronson, what are you doing here?
Like, I thought you were 25 years old.
And he's, like, helping Amy Winehouse make her album in the early 2000s.
I actually am caught up on Miami, which I know that you guys would kind of like just stopped recapping, but they changed the dates on us and that's out of our control.
I feel like he is ageless.
He also looks the same that he did 20 years ago.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was, like, by the way that, like, he helped the Beatles produce their last album.
Like...
This man is timeless.
I completely agree.
I am curious to read his book.
Oh, he has a memoir?
He has a memoir.
That's like why he's doing like the press tour right now.
Could also be a good subject.
Could also be a good subject.
Yeah, I got to pick that fast.
Why don't you do the Ronson siblings?
I mean, why the hell not?
Like, why the hell not?
You know, they're British.
Oh, because I heard his voice and I was like, oh, well, I think there might be half British.
It sounds like someone that maybe grew up in London or whatever and then like has spent most of their life in America.
Their children have the world.
It's like Dorit.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Like Coca-Cola, per favore, light.
When Dorit speaks other languages, though, it really comforts me.
But, like, that woman is incredible with her languages.
Like, we can, like, talk shit about Dorit, but she knows, I think, five languages pretty fluently.
And it's impressive.
We're talking about Dorit from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, by the way.
It is impressive.
Yeah.
And they refuse to give us a screener.
I'm constantly surprised and impressed and horrified by Dorit.
And absolutely horrified.
Yeah, and that's called duality.
That's all we can really say.
Truly.
Okay, so Brooks Nader.
So she has a show with her sisters on Hulu, which I also don't know anything about them personally.
Yeah, I have no idea.
Like, I'm like, please, I am begging you guys.
But I'm curious to learn more, and I actually do want to watch that show.
Does Kardashians have a new season on Hulu?
I think it's time for Kardashians to go night-night.
They have literally given us nothing for so long.
If you watch the Kardashians on Hulu, please just tell – like, I am so curious.
Just tell us.
Just tell us.
We've dedicated our whole career to this network and look how they treat us.
Just be honest about it.
And, like, look, I watched every season up until – of the E!
show of Hulu.
I think up until three seasons ago, I was like, I can't do this anymore.
Mm-hmm.
I'm really curious of, like, who their fan base is.
Like –
I'm very curious.
I'm curious of who the Kardashian fan base is in general now.
I mean, like, of course, there's people like, you know, so many people buy skims, people like the Kylie Lip kits, all of that.
But like, are you still curious about watching them?
Like, do people like the Kylie Lip?
So I posted something about it maybe like a year ago.
And I did get comments from the girlies being like, unfortunately, they are so – the lip kits are so good.
But now I just feel like Makeup Forever is so much bigger, Makeup by Mario, Charlotte Tillett.
I know, our whole lives, literally.
Like I just feel like it's kind of outdated.
But it is crazy though.
Like she did start that movement, don't you think?
Absolutely.
I mean like she was one of the first that were like lip injections and –
I mean, it was a good business move on Kris.
Next time we see Andy, we'll tell him.
You got to give it to our baby Kris.
It always goes back to Kris Jenner.
It's so true.
Baby Oppenheimer, baby Kris Jenner.
And that's Ram for you.
Moguls.
But yeah, I mean, she started a movement, but now I'm just kind of like, I don't know.
I think people are over it.
A lot.
I personally am over it.
Yeah.
But I started watching last season and then I couldn't finish it because it was so boring and I did not want to see Northwest as Simba.
I couldn't do it.
I don't want to see any of them as Simba.
I mean, I think we deserve a screener, you guys, but I am caught up on Miami and I am enjoying it.
I just don't really like...
It's just so – it's like it was a time when people had less access to celebrities, of course.
And it was like, oh, my God, it's fascinating to see, you know, Kim go to a fitting and stuff.
And now, like, we just have so much of that.
Well, they also used to – sorry, if you're watching on YouTube, I'm desperately trying to get my lip gloss to open.
They also, like, are not giving us any reality anymore.
It's all so staged.
It's all so boring.
It's all promotion for all of their products.
Yeah.
It's like something happens.
That's, you know, it's all PR stuff.
It just feels like stale and soulless and like, oh, you're doing it like the TikTok girlies do it.
Is that how they do it?
My mom is going to be horny.
When they're doing a get ready, they like bite down on it.
Oh, really?
In the car?
Yeah.
My mom's going to be horrified by me opening my lip gloss and my teeth.
Teeth are jewels, not tools, people.
But there is something about Salt Lake City that just gets it right that I think I've been missing that, like... Je ne sais quoi.
But sometimes we're desperate.
And be true to your teeth or they'll be false to you.
Wow.
That one goes out to my mother.
She always says that to me.
And it is so true, Deb.
It is so true.
I need to get to the dentist.
I need to get there.
Oh, no.
It's been like three years.
I had a dry period with the dentist as well.
Maybe two.
No, it's been three.
Mine in the past has been longer.
Judge me.
Judge me.
But then I went, and I'm all good.
You have literally perfect teeth.
Well, that's nice.
I don't know if that's true.
It is.
It is.
You have gorgeous teeth too.
They're so straight.
People get veneers to look like your teeth, and we've been saying that.
That is so nice to say.
You guys, teeth are genetic.
And you have great teeth, too.
Oh, thank you.
And teeth are literally genetic.
Like, my sister, nor my mom, nor I have, like, really ever had cavities.
I had one cavity in my life when I was a kid, but it was a kid tooth.
So then it ended up falling out.
Yeah, I have a lot of cavities in my mouth right now.
But it's, like, genetic.
Yeah.
Right now?
Oh, yeah.
They're all clear.
They're all back there.
Oh, but, like, you've gotten them filled.
Gotten them filled.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm just like, it's like that episode of Newlyweds with Jessica Simpson when she gets a root canal and they're like, why didn't you come in here sooner?
And she was like, what did she say?
She's like, I'm eating so much sugar and I just cannot help myself.
Uh-huh.
You could say... Yeah.
And I was like, are you eating a lot of sugar?
No, but Jessica openly admitted that she didn't brush her teeth, that she just used mouthwash.
And I was like, sweetheart, sometimes we can have secrets.
Oh, she's such a good – she's like a nasty girl, and I love that about her.
Like, she just likes to talk about pooping and farting.
I've been a nasty girl.
I've been a nasty girl.
Yeah, that's Jessica.
Les je ne sais quoi.
And I love it.
It's so comforting.
Me too.
I can't wait to see her in Vegas.
Yeah, guys, we're going to see her Vegas show.
The Ashley Simpson residency looks really fun there.
People are loving it.
Les...
And, okay, so there are these nasty trolls being, like –
talking about Jessica, as there always will be.
But I do think that people are starting to be like, okay, we're ready.
We're ready for you to come back.
I think that performance that she did at the women, it was like a fundraiser for women, something.
God, I was just about to say something about Miami and Salt Lake, but now that's pointless.
Something for women.
She's like...
I sound like a Republican.
I was like, who cares?
Something for those women.
It was like a beautiful night for women in the arts.
So when scientists were looking far back into the dawn of the universe, they noticed these very strange red objects in these images of space.
They debated whether the dots were big black holes or galaxies.
But the weird thing was, if they were galaxies, they were much older than they should have been.
It would be like checking on your little kid and finding a fully grown adult.
So they needed a new model to explain this specific red dot's features.
And the study's claiming this new model points to a new kind of black hole.
One surrounded by a dense cloud of cooler gas, kind of like an atmosphere, but it's not a planet or a star.
It means that this could be a stage in black hole growth that scientists have never seen before.
It could also be a new clue as to how supermassive black holes at the centers of almost all galaxies are made.
But astrophysicists aren't really sure.
So the brain is wired to fill in visual gaps.
For example, Ari, maybe an animal sees the tail of a lion hiding behind a bush, but their brain alerts them as if they've seen the entire lion.
And in that case, that brain feature is really helpful.
Sometimes in the case of things like optical illusions, the brain perceives objects that aren't actually there.
So, Ari, I want you to look at an example of what the researchers showed the mice.
It's called the Kinesia illusion.
And tell me what you see.
Honestly, I like that description.
A lot of people see a triangle when they look at it.
So to a lot of people, it seems like there's a white triangle on top of those black
And researchers have known that the brain has neurons that respond to both the edges of real objects and the edges of illusions or objects that aren't really there like that triangle.
But these were different neurons specifically activated by the edges of the illusion.
One of the study authors, Hei-Young Shin, says with a lot more work, and of course work on humans, this could help researchers understand mental disorders that affect perception.
Scientists analyzed a bunch of videos of octopuses in the wild, and they were like, great, what's each individual arm doing here?
That's Chelsea Bennis.
She's a field biologist at Florida Atlantic University and a co-author of the study.
One, there was no arm specialization, meaning all of their arms were capable of doing all the same actions.
the octopuses still seem to prefer doing certain tasks with certain arms.
The majority of the time, they use their front arms for exploration and their back arms for locomotion.
Yeah, and how the brain might fill in missing information.
Yeah, when we asked Chelsea, she told us that it could help us get inspiration for flexible or soft robotics, which she says could be helpful for things like search and recovery or even ocean exploration.
And Ari, if you want to see some of the videos the researchers looked at, plus peek at some cute octopuses, we'll have that video online and in our show notes.
I think it's both, right?
And lastly, you'll love this, Ari, the wiggly world of octopus arms.
Tyler Jones checked the facts.
Tiffany Vera Castro and Patrick Murray were the audio engineers.
It's a little bit weird it's weirder to be Joe Rogan you think yeah it's got to be it's weird
Like before we go to war, we need to know that we've exhausted every alternative option that there is, especially when it's the United States and Russia.
And yet it took all this time for the first time for the two leaders of them to sit down and meet.
But on the positive side, they did just sit down and meet.
That's a lot better than not sitting down and meeting.
Well, there's no question having a president whose default setting was to desire an off-ramp made a huge difference there.
Because if this was a Dick Cheney, George W. Bush type of presidency, they could have found any excuse.
Once you get to that point...
They could have found any reason to keep it going.
Well, also, even the like the, you know, where people were like bragging about like the 12 day war, you know, which, again, is not clear that it's over yet.
You don't really get to decide that until years later.
You know, they didn't call it World War One until World War Two came around.
And then you go, oh, that was the first World War.
I was in New York City on 9-11.
And I remember – so I was in Brooklyn, like only a few miles from the World Trade Center.
Did you physically see it?
You just know that is a Trump quote.
I saw – so I remember seeing –
The Armenian one I think is the one he should get the most credit for because they did sign that peace deal in the White House and both the leaders did say like, yeah, Donald Trump really played a huge role in this.
With the other things, you kind of never know.
No, that stuff is all very good.
Now, I don't give him any credit for the, I mean, let me just try to say this.
I do give him credit, like I said before, for taking the off ramp when he had it on the 12 day war.
When I got out of school, I was in high school.
But the thing about that one is that he just never needed to launch the thing to begin with.
And I don't know, you know, I'm not even sure he did launch it, to be honest.
It's kind of unclear how that happened because they were in negotiations with the Iranians and then Israel attacked them.
And then after Israel attacked them, Trump said, basically, we were all in on it together, which might be true, but...
I was a senior in high school.
But I do know that Tucker Carlson said, I'm not revealing anything privately.
He said this on the record.
He knows Witkoff, who was the guy who was point manning the negotiations.
And he was like, it is absolutely not true that these were like fake negotiations designed to trick the Iranians so Israel could get their shot off.
Now, I don't know exactly what's right there and what's not.
Well, I know that Trump was upset because he let it out that he was upset that after he called for the ceasefire, Israel just started bombing the crap out of him.
One of the girls like forged a note and said it was from our parents or something like that.
And he was like, what are you guys doing, man?
But then he turns around and still supports everything they're doing.
The thing about it is, though, is that going forward, I think this is like the more important thing is that going forward, this problem is not off the table.
You know, they're saying that Trump's going to say he completely destroyed, you know, Iran's nuclear program.
But that's not clear at all.
And everything the Iranians are saying is that they are going to continue having a civilian nuclear program.
And they have the technology and the know-how.
Like they can rebuild this thing.
And so then the question is like if they do, what do we want to do next about that?
And what's great is that this at least was a little war that didn't result in like a major catastrophe.
Still a catastrophe for the people who died.
I forget exactly how it worked, but we got out.
And there were Iranians and Israelis who died in this war.
It wasn't like it was bloodless.
Um, but at least it maybe gives us some time to go like for the next go around to just be like, yeah, we don't need to go to war over a civilian nuclear program.
At first off, we shouldn't go to war over a nuclear weapons program.
It was like I was friends with the security guard.
So Truman was the president when the Soviet unions developed nuclear weapons.
Joseph Stalin developed nuclear weapons.
He didn't attack them over that.
He didn't say we're going to launch a war of aggression because you're developing the same weapons we have.
And I think it was Johnson was president when Mao Zedong, the most evil man who's ever lived, developed nuclear weapons.
I used to buy weed from him.
There was never like a war of aggression launched over that.
Everyone's so convinced we got to do it over Iran.
But anyway, they weren't even pursuing nuclear weapons.
Hopefully the next go around, the American people have even had it even more and are like, yeah, we're just not supporting this anymore.
But you know, it was a different time.
And you know, it was a huge part of that was, it was like the first war, the internet shut down.
You know, where it was like, and it was, well, I think Steve Bannon had a lot to do with that.
Pre-9-11, we were just all hanging out, buying weed from security guards at schools.
He was over at Breitbart at the time.
And they really got on the like, we are not,
supporting this war but then there were like it was all over Twitter where there were the active duty military guys and they would dress up in like they would put on the military uniform but cover their face and then just like hold the sign that's like I will not fight for Al Qaeda in Syria
Because those guys knew what that was.
This is, by the way, the whole thing.
This is where they tried to smear Tulsi Gabbard.
This is when Barry Weiss was on here and said she's an Assad toady and then didn't know what toady meant or whatever.
But it's almost like they try to tell you this story.
What would that even mean?
Tulsi Gabbard is secretly loyal to a Syrian dentist woman?
who became the dictator of the country.
That doesn't make any sense, does it?
Why would Tulsi Gabbard have been so against that war?
So I remember, I'm pretty sure when we came to Flatbush Ave, we saw like, there was smoke in the air.
Well, the reason she was against that war is because she actually knew the first thing about it, unlike all these other people.
Unlike Barry Weiss, who didn't even know what the word toady meant as she was calling her that.
Tulsi Gabbard, for whatever you might say about her, and I've got some criticisms of her myself, but she knows who the Shiites are and who the Sunnis are.
And she knows which camp is on which side.
that on the other side of Bashar al-Assad and the civil war, which was started by Barack Obama, on the other side of this was ISIS and Al-Qaeda.
And her whole thing was she signed up, she enlisted to go fight Al-Qaeda because they hit us on 9-11.
And so she's always furious.
Actually, Tulsi supports the war on terrorism too much, I would argue.
She just objected to the war for terrorism.
She was like, I just don't think we should fight wars for Al-Qaeda.
But both the towers had fallen by the time we got out.
I believe we ought to fight them against Al-Qaeda.
And that was her beef with that one.
She was absolutely right about it.
And by the way, Al-Qaeda is in charge of the country now.
Well, this was the crazy thing for the people who were advocating regime change in the 12-day war in Iran.
You see there were Israeli government officials who were posting pictures of the son of the Shah?
Like the implication being that he'll come back into power.
Because he's in exile in England.
So the subways had been out for a while.
So now the war on terrorism started with spreading democracy.
And in its end phase, we're spreading, what's the word I'm looking for?
A monarchy, a hereditary monarchy or something.
What do you think the odds are that if we overthrew the mullahs, that the son of the Shah just walks back into power and all the warring factions just go, yeah, no, that's, you know, the U.S.
And where I was, I was like on Flatbush Avenue, if anyone knows Brooklyn.
So then, yeah, OK, he's the rightful ruler.
Like, I don't think so, dude.
Yeah, but dude, it's like- All over the world.
Yeah, but in the 20th century, there were two world wars, and there was all this horrible shit.
But today, dude, we live in the most amazing time, dude.
It's like Flatbush and 7th Avenue.
I mean, there's literally- Bring it home nicely.
Well, listen, man, I mean this.
The most sincere thing I've ever said in my life.
My son was born with a congenital heart defect that would have killed him in almost any other time period unless I was alive today or in the last 10 years.
30 years ago, I would have lost my son.
Cutest little boy in the world.
I'd still rather live today than any other time just for that alone.
And we have an ability to reach people and trade with each other and communicate with each other.
It's kind of a straight shoot down to the Manhattan Bridge and then the Brooklyn Bridge is down there, too.
We're really close to curing all types of diseases and ailments and extending life.
People are educated and connected in a way that they've never been before.
We've got all these problems, but we've had lots of problems before.
I just think we're aware of the problems now.
That'll be our kids' generation.
Me and you will just be recognizing them, and then we'll leave it to them to solve it.
Comedy-wise, maybe I do something with the wife and kids.
We're not going to get in trouble for that.
your podcast tell everybody how to get it it's everywhere part of the problem is my political podcast Legion of Skanks is the knucklehead comedy podcast but it's also very fun so go check that out and then yeah come public mothership shows are all sold out next year catch me at the mothership yes alright thanks brother you're the man dude you're the man bye everybody
But the Brooklyn Bridge you can walk over.
And so at this point already, people who were down in the financial district had just decided to walk back to Brooklyn because they realized they weren't going to get a cab or get on the subway.
And so you'd see just like one guy in a suit and tie covered in soot head to toe, like walking up like, oh, he must have just been down there and walked up.
And but I remember now this is in Brooklyn, but even there is very busy.
people were stopping and asking each other, people who you would pass on the street but never talk to, were stopping and asking everyone, how's your family?
Like there was this like community spirit that you just didn't, you don't typically get in New York City.
There's just too many people.
You can't talk to everybody.
But that part of it was kind of beautiful.
And then of course governments do what they do and immediately manipulated that into launching wars that they wanted from before 9-11
That had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11.
And I guess maybe it's partly like my age because I was 18 at the time.
And this is like my coming of age, you know, time.
But I will never stop being furious about all of that shit and this is like still to this day I'm sure you you see it when I'm on podcast with you and doing debates and stuff But I'm so angry over the war in Iraq and the subsequent wars and you know Libya and Syria and Somalia and Yemen and all of them but specifically because
Like, all these guys, the neoconservatives, the N-word that I'm not supposed to bring up, even though, by the way, Douglas Murray wrote a book called Neoconservatism, why we need it.
But when I say the word neoconservative, be careful what you're watering here or something like that.
Well, Douglas said, when I was on with him, he said, ah, the N-word, when I brought it up, and then said, I'm watering something because I mentioned Wolfowitz.
Well, I mean, I'd say the answer is that those guys got into power.
They really hijacked American foreign policy after 9-11 because they happened to all be in power in the Bush administration.
Then 9-11 happened on their watch.
But if you go back and read the shit they read, and I will never stop talking about this because it's just too goddamn crazy.
But if you read all of these guys, the guys who were in the George W. Bush administration, I mean, like the signatories on the Project for a New American Century, which was their think tank, the PNAC as it's called, were like...
Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz and Fife and Richard Pearl and David Wormser and the whole group who took over the government were all... And they wrote explicitly in the Project for a New American Century that they were like, look, okay, the Soviet Union has collapsed.
We are for the first time in human history like the lone superpower in the world.
So what we should do right now is fight multiple wars.
Because no one threatens us, and so therefore, we should fight multiple wars.
Right now, we have an opportunity to remake the world, overthrow the old Soviet sock puppet states, install our own states there, and guarantee, as the name says, the new American century of dominance, the 21st century.
And they specifically said they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein.
And then they specifically said, and now this is something that the 9-11 truthers really held on to.
I think they might be overplaying their hand a little bit.
But they say, there's one document in the Project for a New American Century, you can find it online, where they straight up say, they go, now look, this is what we want to do, but we're unlikely to get mass American support for it short of another Pearl Harbor type event.
And so a lot of people like Alex Jones and a lot of the 9-11 truthers would point to this phrase and go, see, this is the proof that they knew they needed another Pearl Harbor.
So they planned their own Pearl Harbor.
Now, that is not necessarily true.
It doesn't necessarily prove that.
But it certainly does change the way you think about their mind state when they sit there watching the towers get attacked.
And they all at the very least, they all went, we got it.
You know, Alex Jones predicted 9-11 in July.
Yeah, but that's not quite as it's not quite as unique as I think some people think it is really well like people So like you ever hear how he said it.
Yeah, I've heard I've heard the clip.
It was pretty good I mean, I'm not like taking anything away from that He was right, but there were a bunch of people who predicted it Ron Paul himself predicted it perfectly predict planes into the towers.
Let's just say, no, I don't know about that.
That is pretty impressive.
But at the same time, you know.
But the World Trade Center was attacked by Al Qaeda guys in 93.
Adrian Appaloochee has the funniest joke about that.
Do you ever hear Adrian's joke about that?
I don't want to butcher it on your show, but Adrian Avalucci is a hilarious comedian.
She had a joke about how, you know, in that song where Big E goes, time to get paid, blow up like the world trade, but they bleep world trade now.
And then her bit is how they didn't bleep, like he was talking about the first one, but they bleep it because of the second, you know, because the towers came down.
But then her bit is just like, you go like, that wasn't enough of a tragedy to make it bleeped.
It's like a funny, it's like only a few people died.
But then a lot of people died.
She's a phenomenal joke writer.
But then there's also, it's a convenient kind of way to dismiss somebody.
Well, I thought it was, this just I thought was really funny to me was that so like a few days after the last time, after me and Douglas Murray debated on the show, he went on Bill Maher's show.
And support massive police buildups and massive, you know, like militarization of the police and all this stuff.
You know, I've heard a little bit about that.
I know Ice Cube has talked about it before, like talked about how like there is undeniably this influence.
There are things about it that seem crazy.
And I don't even think this is a controversial thing to say.
I think this is just like fact at this point that it was the Reagan administration who did traffic in cocaine to the United States of America while they were ramping up the war on drugs.
So like they're bringing in in their effort to help the Contras or whatever.
They're going like, OK, well, these guys are drug dealers.
So if we move these drugs in, we can get these money shipments to them.
And then you're sitting in there.
creating the conditions for the crack epidemic to explode.
And then they catch one guy with a few rocks on him and they're throwing him in jail for decades.
It's like just that alone, just that one piece of information, you'd almost, if you're like in a sane world, you'd go like, oh, so the people had a revolution and overthrew that government and publicly hung all the politicians involved and then we started over from new.
And you're like, no, no, they lionized that guy.
But still for decades afterwards, the Republicans at the RNC, you bring up Reagan and they go, our hero, Ronald Reagan.
Like the fact that that isn't enough to go, well, this guy should be remembered like as a monster.
And so it's like after having this whole thing, the whole 45 minutes opening the show about how you comedians don't know what you're talking about.
He was the head of the CIA.
So, you know, but but again, also, you get to a certain point when you're president.
I think this applies to Donald Trump in a lot of ways, too, where it's like it's your responsibility.
Like if you didn't know, then that's your responsibility for not knowing.
Look, you might be right about that.
While he's smearing two people who he's never heard of and doesn't even know what they do or whatever.
Well, they could present it to them after it's a fait accompli and then be like, so what do you want to do now?
Which is what happened with Nixon, right?
So it's like, look, this is going to look really, really bad.
Good luck explaining this.
So he helps them cover it up.
And then you go, now we got you.
Now you might as well have been in on planning it because you helped us cover it up.
And the whole thing was set up by the government.
But not the best way to make an appeal to expertise.
Yeah, he's just a dominant real at the American people had spoken They supported this guy and then right Bob Woodward some 20-something year old reporter.
He gets the biggest story in American history He happened to just come out of naval intelligence and a weird coincidence.
He doesn't have a problem with Bill Maher doing it because he agrees with him.
So the issue isn't really being an expert versus being a comedian.
Yeah, my good friend who I mentioned quite a bit, but Scott Horton, who is, I think, the best foreign policy voice in the United States of America, and he wrote the best book on the terror wars called Enough Already and the best book on the war in Ukraine called Provoked.
So Bob Woodward's latest book came out, and I remember he told me about this.
So he just happened to be writing his book on Ukraine recently.
when he saw this new Bob Woodward book came out, and they had a quote in it, I believe it was a Sergei Lavrov quote, who's like Putin's right-hand man, and Scott said he's reading it, and he goes, this quote's all wrong.
You know, Konstantin Kassin went on this whole thing about expertise and all of this, and it's like he also started as a comedian.
He goes, the actual quote, he was just researching this for his book, and he goes, the quote means the exact opposite of what he's claiming it means here.
Like, see how he left out this part?
He wasn't referring to this.
He was referring to that.
And then he just, I remember he just told me, he goes like, so for the record, like you can just never trust anything Bob Woodward says because he'll take this quote and just get it, mangle it to the point where it, he's presenting it as if it means 180 degrees opposite of what the quote actually meant.
And so, yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that.
And then that guy is like the historian of record.
He was like a journalistic hero.
Well, and he's how we know.
He's how you know that in that moment, Dick Cheney turned to George W. Bush and said, Mr. President, I think we need to.
And then you're like, oh, but he just makes shit up.
Why all of a sudden does this standard only apply to me and only when I'm talking about Israel?
But also, just think about how much they could get.
I remember, I don't know.
And I remember hearing like my history teacher talking to another teacher.
And this was when Bill Clinton was getting in trouble for Monica Lewinsky.
So I was like in middle school or whatever.
And I remember hearing them talk.
And one of them said to the other one, he goes, so what do you think about the impeachment or something?
It never it never applied to me when I was talking about COVID.
And I remember my history teacher, I thought was a pretty smart guy.
He goes, well, you know, they're treating him like he's Nixon, but he's not Nixon.
And essentially what that meant, like what he was saying was like, well, Nixon is the most corrupt president who ever lived.
Bill Clinton just got caught cheating on his wife.
Like that's not as big a deal as being the most corrupt.
But they just made that like the thing that everybody knows.
Like, well, we did have this one corrupt president, but the system works.
And it got him out of there before the Internet.
It never applied to me when they agreed with me on stuff.
I mean to say that the narrative that everybody accepted was like, oh, but the system works.
It figured out that he was corrupt.
They got him out of there.
When really the answer is much more like the intelligence agencies took over the United States of America in a hostile coup against John F. Kennedy.
And then Nixon comes in a few years later and is like...
essentially taken over as well, but they get the American people to believe that what that was was a corrupt president being ousted.
They would just go, look, Dave, breaking it down.
But now there's this one topic that one guy is not allowed to not be an expert on.
And it happens to be this one topic that the entire population is turning on.
I shouldn't say the entire, but like huge numbers.
Well, there was LBJ in between there at least.
Well, I think also in hindsight, he wasn't that good looking.
He also came off as kind of an evil figure.
Nixon had a lot of policy failures.
And I would put the number one, and I completely agree with you.
I mean, launching the war on drugs was a disaster.
But taking us off the gold standard was one of the worst policy decisions in the history of the United States of America.
So many of the problems we face now is because of that.
And people could say, like, I've heard Pat Buchanan defend Trump.
Pat Buchanan was in the Nixon administration.
He was a speechwriter for him.
And he was like, well, look, what were we going to do at that point?
And so he was basically saying, because what happened was essentially, so you had like the Bretton Woods Agreement, which started after World War II, or actually, I'm sorry, it started at the very end of World War II.
It was in 1944, where they had the Bretton Woods Agreement, where they could kind of see where World War II was going.
And it was basically like, okay, well...
the all of Europe is destroyed, and a lot of Asia is destroyed, or not yet, I guess it was 44, but it was getting there.
And America had, at least on the homeland, hadn't really been touched.
But also, to ask that question is to answer that question.
And we had a wild amount of the world's gold.
And so the deal was essentially that we will peg the dollar to gold at $35 an ounce.
Everyone else can peg their currency to the dollar.
And then the dollars are refundable.
You can get an ounce for $35.
And so that was whatever.
There were problems with the Bretton Woods Agreement, but that was what stood from after World War II.
So from 1944 to 1973 or 1971 when he took us off the gold standard.
And so essentially what happened was through the 60s, we started cheating.
And it became very obvious to the world that we were, like, you know, the 1960s, you're like, you have the Great Society.
So we created Medicare and Medicaid.
And we were fighting the war in Vietnam.
And we were just printing money for all of this, which is, you know, what we still do to this day.
But so, essentially, the Europeans started looking at us.
And they were like, I don't think you got enough gold to cover all these dollars that you're printing around.
Wasn't that a thing where they were going to, like...
Do an audit of Fort Knox that we never heard about?
Well, what I know is that I'm pretty sure it was the French.
It might have been the British, too.
It was definitely the French.
The French basically called our bluff.
And they just went, OK, we'll take gold.
We got all these dollars.
We get an ounce for every $35 that we have.
And that's when Nixon went, no.
He just basically defaulted in front of the entire world, and he said he's temporarily suspending the convertibility of dollars into gold, and they framed it as like the French are attacking the stability of the dollar.
Really, all they were doing was calling us on our agreement.
We're like, we got so much gold, bro.
So Pat Buchanan says, defending his boy, Richard Nixon, he goes, well, what were we going to do at that point?
Let him clean us out of all of our gold and just not be the dominant power?
But I think the retort to that is, yeah.
Like, that's what you should have done.
Because the decision to go off of the gold standard essentially just said, well, now there's no more even pretend limits on government.
You know, this is why Ron Paul, who, happy birthday to the greatest living American hero, just turned 90.
And I was just at his birthday party a few weeks ago.
And- Dan, you look at you partying with Ron Paul.
Dude, that dude throws it down.
It was very nice though to see him.
Tulsi Gabbard was there, which was cool.
But so essentially, right, that was the last restraint on government is that at least even then, even under Bretton Woods when we're cheating, at least there's some feeling of like, well, don't cheat too bad.
because they could maybe try to- Count the gold.
But after that, it was off to the races.
And this is why Ron Paul ran for Congress.
It was when Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard.
And then he was like, this is going to lead to big government.
This is going to be the era of big government.
So he was going to run to try to stop that.
And he was completely right.
This is what has really destroyed everything is that there is just no... And it's a big part of the reason why I'm so angry about all these wars too, because it's all related.
You know, the Federal Reserve was created in 1913 or the Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by Woodrow Wilson in 1913.
And then in 1914, I think, is when it actually got up and running.
And in 1914 is when the income tax was passed, also signed into law by Woodrow Wilson.
And three years later is World War One.
You know, like three years or American entry into World War I. So it's like this is the banking system and the tax system are very like interrelated with the warfare state.
Like you need this stuff in order to fight wars.
Even just over the last 25 years, we've spent close to $10 trillion on wars.
And they didn't tax the American people for that.
They know they couldn't tax us enough to pay.
We would put an end to it.
If they tried to raise everybody's taxes enough to come up with $10 trillion because we want to go fight regime change wars all over the Middle East, the American people would have been like, no, we're not doing that.
They kept taxes where they were.
I think they even cut some rates during those years, the top rates.
And then they borrowed the rest.
And they still couldn't borrow enough.
So they just print the money.
And then essentially what happens is that the price of everything just goes up and up and up.
And you just put more money into the system.
And then people start looking around and going like, geez, why is the price of housing and health care and energy and child care totally unaffordable?
And the answer is because you're paying for the war in Iraq.
And nobody thinks about it like that.
But that's really what's going on.
So for all the young people who are coming out of college now and they're like, I'm 150 grand in debt.
I have a gender studies major degree or whatever, you know, maybe something better than that.
But they got an English degree or something and they're working at DoorDash and the average house is going for 600 grand.
And they're like, what am I possibly going to do?
It's like the reason why these kids are all demanding socialism is.
at least on the left, is because, like, what else are you going to do?
But the reason why that is the case is because your government decided to spend trillions of dollars on blowing up brown countries and in some cases then rebuilding them to blow them up again.
I mean, this is the actual cost of the thing.
almost nobody outside of like the Ron Paul libertarians, the Austrian economics guys, almost nobody else ever makes this connection.
That it's like, this is the deal.
You can't be a world empire without having a central bank.
that can print money for you because otherwise it just doesn't work resources are finite and you'll run out of them and so you can't do that without having this monetary system but the cost of this monetary system is that prices always go up and up and up and up and that rigs the entire economy against the working class and the middle class in favor of the rich it's just the way it is when when the value of assets is going up and up and up and up that's great if you own stuff
That's great if you own stuff and you're selling it.
If you got a billion dollars in the bank, inflation is your best friend.
But if you're on a fixed income or you're a working class person, it just destroys you.
And everybody who's working class knows this just from living through the last five years.
Your grocery prices go up 30%.
you know, that's, that's, you know, people have this idea that there's like economic issues over here and then there's like social issues over here.
There's foreign policy over here, but it's, it's all one thing.
You know, the prices of groceries go up by 30% and families get destroyed.
Kids grow up without fathers.
That's the cost of this shit.
That's what we're living through now.
And what we'll continue to live through as long as we have a government that spends way beyond our means.
Like Dr. Ron Paul used to say, when you spend beyond your means, you're destined to live beneath your means.
Yeah, and then there might be somebody who is like totally an expert, like say a wrestler who went to the Olympics and was like a total expert or a coach or something like that, total expert in wrestling, and they could still get something about MMA completely off.
Yeah, well, there's that's most of it, right?
If you if you go, hey, I think which, by the way, no one in Congress.
I mean, short of like Thomas Massey, maybe maybe Rand Paul, but like no one else in Congress is even like suggesting an idea.
But if I were to throw out the radical idea that we should go back to pre pandemic level spending.
So go all the way back to the crazy year of 2019 when it was anarchy or whatever.
That was just, they'll all tell you the world's gonna end if we do that.
And even when they're making up these absolutely ridiculous claims about how many people are gonna die if you cut government spending, which is all just totally absurd.
But then they never seem to go like, well, how many people are gonna die if I keep letting DC have all these war-making powers?
How many people are going to die if the president is able to fund a proxy war whenever he wants to?
I mean, look at this shit, dude.
I took so much... You know, whatever, I'm not... But I took a lot of heat for the stuff I said on the show here a few years ago about the war in Ukraine.
And I don't think they're about to end the thing, which we could talk about, but I think they're putting poison pills in these negotiations already.
That's what it looks like to me.
Literally, the deal that I was talking to you about, whatever it was, three years ago when I was saying on the show that they had a deal worked out, a peace deal worked out in the first few months of the war in 22, and Boris Johnson went and killed the peace deal on behalf of the West to make sure this war kept going.
But the deal that was in pencil, not pen, that Boris Johnson killed was essentially –
Recognition of the annexation of Crimea.
It was at the time it wasn't annexation of the Donbass region.
It was like independence for the Donbass region.
And then the agreement that the rest of Ukraine would not join NATO.
That was the deal that they had worked out.
And look at where we are now.
Now, the deal that they're even talking about, even as Donald Trump goes, there's going to be some land swaps and all this.
Okay, well, what's he talking about?
The deal right now that is the best case scenario that we're hoping we could get is that Vladimir Putin obviously keeps Crimea, keeps the entire Donbass region, gets a corridor from the south into Crimea, and the rest of Ukraine doesn't join NATO.
So we have the same deal, just a little bit more in the Russians' favor, three years later with...
hundreds of thousands of people having died in that process just to get back to not as good a deal as they had in 22.
And so, you know... And if they don't sign that...
It'll keep going, which I think it's probably going to.
Yeah, and they have been for like a full year, at least, throwing people up there.
And the thing that's really changed, the reason why, like the Europeans and Zelensky, and they're at least pretending to come to the negotiation table right now, which they don't say, but this is the truth, is that support for the war amongst Ukrainians has collapsed dramatically.
I mean, not like gone down by a few points.
There was just a piece in this the other day.
It was Gallup, I believe.
They had their latest poll.
Super majorities of the Ukrainian people, 70% around, want an immediate end to the war with negotiations on land swap.
Like, let's settle it however we got to settle it.
I remember for the first two years of the thing,
Everybody who I argued with about the war in Ukraine, their talking point would always be, the Ukrainian people want to fight.
And who are you, Dave, to tell them that they don't have a right to defend themselves?
And then I would respond by saying, yes, it's true the Ukrainian people want to fight, but might that have something to do with the blank check that they've received from the world and the backup of the entire world?
It's a different proposition to go like,
Do you want to fight if John Jones is at your back and goes, I got your back, dude.
Let's go fuck these guys up.
You're like, hell yeah, I want to fight.
But then John Jones leaves, I might be like, ah, let's talk about this.
But now the Ukrainian people don't want to fight.
And by the way, I never believed any of that because I have my own libertarian views on things.
And I'm like, if you're telling me that people want to fight, well, why do you got to conscript an army then?
If they want to fight so bad...
Well, you got to put a gun to their head and force them to the front line.
Yeah, you could just make it a voluntary force and then we'll find out real quick who wants to fight.
But the point is now that even the Ukrainians don't want to fight over this stuff anymore.
So there's just no justification for it.
Phase B, which is essentially to pretend like they're negotiating, but putting all types of poison pills in the deal so that you know the other side won't take it.
This is what they did with Iran, too.
This is why we got into that 12-day war, as they're calling it now.
You know, it's like you put things into the... I was just reading the other day.
There's reports that Zelensky and the Europeans are like open to land swaps as long as there's, in their words in the Axios piece, Article 5-like security guarantees.
the rest of Ukraine's in NATO, which is the thing that caused the whole conflict to begin with.
Article five, article five is a, the article in, in NATO, in the NATO agreement that says that like,
it says that like if one of the countries is attacked, like all the countries have to join together to help.
It doesn't exactly say you got to go to war over it, but it's like you have to help in the effort if they're attacked.
So essentially that's what they're trying to ask now, which is, but if you think about it, right, it's designed to,
to incentivize Putin to keep the war going.
Because if you're telling Vladimir Putin, let's just say, which it's not exactly clear that he would even take the deal that I just laid out before, but there was, I know that it's been reported that he was, it was being signaled that he might be open to that deal.
I get the Don Bass region, you know, he's got still, um,
The Donbass region is Donetsk and Luhansk.
And in Luhansk, I think, as of right now, I think the Russians control like 75% of it.
They got most of Luhansk.
But there's still Ukrainians controlling part of it.
And then he's controlling part of these territories in the south.
So this is what Trump means when he says the land swaps, meaning essentially you get out of the Donbass region, give me that, and I'll give you back Luhansk.
You know, the land swaps are Putin taking what he wants and leaving you the rest.
But if you're going to tell Vladimir Putin, who fought this entire war over Ukrainian entry into NATO being his red line, basically in the middle of the war, as the war is potentially wrapping up, you're going to tell him, hey, whatever territory you don't take here will be a part of NATO.
Well, what does that incentivize him to do?
Then why would you stop and give the rest of it up?
And it does seem to me like that is clearly, at least from the Europeans, that is clearly the motivation of all of this is to present something.
It's, you know, they do have their chess war moves.
And so you present something that you know the other side can't agree to.
And then when they don't agree to it, you go, look, we tried to negotiate and he just wouldn't take us up on this.
Yeah, he got sucked into this talk about the rare earth minerals stuff.
And, you know, it's Donald Trump.
It's like his weakness because, you know, there's a lot of great things about deal.
Yeah, there's a lot of great things about coming from a business background, but then there's, like, the weakness of it is that he's always attracted by, like, you're like, hey, Gaza could be beachfront property.
You know, and he's like, ooh.
And you can just see him, like, come alive with these ideas.
Yeah, it's always this stuff.
But then the problem is that...
You know, and look, I've been very harsh on Donald Trump over the last few months, but I think he deserves it.
And I think this administration is failing on so many levels so profoundly, especially given the opportunity that they had.
But, you know, I heard him the other day.
He called into a Fox News show and it was he was like, tell him the story of the war in Ukraine.
It just seems like you learned this on a TV show.
Can we get some books in your diet?
We really need someone here who's read a book about this, because he kind of had an idea of what
he was talking about, but then he got it completely wrong.
So he goes, he's trying to tell the story and he's talking about the corruption of the Bidens in Ukraine.
And you're like, okay, yes, that is true.
But like, there's a whole story here that I don't think you're really understanding because he goes, he goes, look, this goes back to 2014.
And so I'm watching this and I got like so excited for a minute.
I was like, yes, yes, it does go back to 2014.
And then he goes, it goes back to 2014 when Putin took Crimea and Obama let him have it.
Never would have happened on my watch, but Obama gave Putin Ukraine.
And you're like, no, dude, that's not, just go back two months earlier in that same year.
The problem wasn't that Obama gave Putin Ukraine.
The problem was that Obama took Ukraine away from Vladimir Putin.
As I've played on your show and you played with Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence has sat right here where I'm sitting and watched Gideon Rose explain to Stephen Colbert exactly what we're doing here.
Russia, as Gideon Rose, the editor of Foreign Affairs Magazine, said, Russia is Batman.
We are stealing Robin away from Batman.
That's what the made-on revolution was.
That's why the USAID and the NED poured $100 million into the street protest, right?
And so they overthrew the government, and then a bunch of the former Ukrainian prime ministers started floating out that we should tear up the Sevastopol lease.
In Crimea, because this is Russia's only year-long warm water naval port.
They had like a 50-year lease or something like that.
But after the West backed a coup that overthrew the government and put in a pro-Western government, they started talking big like, well, maybe we'll tear up that lease.
And so Vladimir Putin went, no.
And that was like, so anyway, so he goes back to that, doesn't go back a few months earlier and then misses the entire point that no.
So, cause like the point is that it's not just like me being like, oh, I wish Donald Trump was into the same books I'm into or something like that.
The point is that when you don't get that piece of the chapter, then you miss what's happening right now.
So when you're talking about like these, essentially what Donald Trump was saying, the way he was trying to sell it to Zelensky was like, look, do this rare earth minerals deal with us.
And this is kind of like a security guarantee.
It's not exactly a security guarantee, but if we're in business with you and then Putin's trying to fuck up our business, hey, he's picking a fight with us too.
But the whole point is that that's exactly what caused this whole catastrophe.
Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian elite have been crystal clear about this, that they go, look, we can tolerate a neutral Ukraine.
We could tolerate NATO up to Ukraine.
We cannot tolerate Ukraine being a part of America's military alliance.
But every time we try to let him be neutral, neutral seems like it's never good enough.
And that never actually works.
So if you're going to come in here and say neutral is not good enough, they're going to be part of the West.
Then we're going to say, actually, we'll take him as part of Russia instead.
Now, he also believes, as he says all the time, which I just think is goofy and ridiculous,
un-American, but he also believes that like, yeah, they're not really a real country and they're kind of historically ours anyway.
And, you know, he's got his own views on that, but that's not what the war was about.
And then, of course, there are then there are things like, say, say, like, do you do you support lockdowns?
And everybody, you know, and when I was here with, which I was very excited to do, because I'm,
a weird romantic and have a dash of autism or something like that.
But I was really excited because me and Douglas Murray are going to debate this issue.
And I remember when he first goes, he goes, the war had nothing to do with Ukrainian entry into NATO.
And I was like, okay, well, let me just hit you with two points real quick.
Number one, the head of the CIA, during all the years of Joe Biden, when he was the ambassador to Russia, he wrote the yet means yet memo.
He literally said that this was all what it was all about and that Russia didn't want to do this, but they would if we kept pushing Ukrainian entry into NATO.
And we did keep pushing it.
And then I said the other one was Stoltenberg, who is not anymore, but was the head of NATO while this was happening.
And he said that Vladimir Putin sent them in writing a draft treaty that all you have to do is put in writing that you will never bring Ukraine into NATO and I won't invade.
And then he bragged that we said no.
But so I said this to Douglas Murray, and I was kind of curious.
I was like, what's his response to this going to be?
What is he going to say back?
Maybe he's got something I've never heard before that I'm going to have to be like, oh, shit, I've got to consider that.
And his response was, a libertarian quoting the CIA, I see.
And you're like, wait, so that's your pivot is to I'm a hypocrite somehow, which isn't even hypocrisy.
And like in order to have, say, an expert opinion on this policy, it's like, OK, well, you'd be like they'd say we're following the science.
Like, yes, I think the CIA should be abolished.
I also think it's relevant when the head of the CIA admits what the war was all about.
So what the CIA was originally like conceived of, like essentially being a newspaper for the president, like being like, hey, we get all the real intelligence and we give it to you here.
Yes, I 100% think there's room for intelligence gathering, but what the CIA became
is a paramilitary organization that starts wars and overthrows democratically elected governments all around the world.
And occasionally, when they're bored, and maybe on a Tuesday, like a three-day weekend, and then on Tuesday, maybe move some crack into Los Angeles.
No, that, I mean, just should... I mean, it's a disgrace to a professed free society.
I mean, it's... Look, like, when... Which we've also played on the show before, but...
When Chuck Schumer was on with Rachel Maddow, which is one of the most amazing moments in the history of corporate media, because what's amazing about it, if you watch the full thing, is that Rachel Maddow's asking him questions, and he's given his Chuck Schumer...
So in other words, they have an epidemiologist or something like that who's arguing lockdowns will will cut down on the transmission of the virus.
political answers to all of them, however you feel about them.
It's like they have their spiel.
But then she breaks from script and she preemptively apologizes to him.
She goes, hey, I'm sorry to just throw this on you right now.
This is, it was in, I believe, January.
It was either December of 16 or January 17.
So Donald Trump has beat Hillary Clinton, but he's not president yet.
And so she goes, sorry to throw you off, put you on the spot, but Donald Trump just tweeted this.
So she's reading a tweet that he just tweeted live on air to the Senate majority leader or minority leader at the time.
So she reads of the tweet that's him trashing the CIA or something like that.
And then Chuck Schumer just gives his organic response.
There was no script prepared for this.
He wasn't planned on being asked this question.
She just goes, look, here's Donald Trump talking about the CIA.
And Chuck Schumer goes, he goes, I mean, Donald Trump, you want to go with the intelligence agencies?
Forget they turned out to be wrong.
And his exact phrase was, they have seven ways till Sunday to get back at you.
But leaving that aside, you're like, OK, but are they also an economist?
And by the way, Rachel Maddow in this moment does not say,
Pause the tape, what did you just say?
Like the most powerful Democrat in the Senate just admitted we don't live in a democracy, just admitted that this whole thing's an illusion, that the president of the United States is not the president of the United States.
All our talk about democracy being on the ballot, democracy has been gone for a long time if it ever existed.
You just straight up said that the duly elected
Commander in chief and chief executive of the United States of America ain't really the one who's in charge because you better not insult the CIA who work for you ostensibly or supposedly, I should say, you know, and so like that or they'll get you or they'll get you or they'll ruin you.
And by the way, they did.
And this is the stuff which is very interesting that Tulsi is releasing now, which I don't know whether, you know, I'm kind of past the point of like, it's hard to take.
Are they also a sociologist?
A sociologist, a specialist in childhood development who would tell you what closing the schools.
It's hard to take a lot of things about Donald Trump seriously to me at this point, you know, flaking on all types of that, you know, the Epstein stuff and just a lot of, you know, kind of core things were like, so Donald Trump, at least according to him, they stole the election.
You know, I was thinking about this the other day.
Because he was talking about, in the same thing that I'm talking about when he called into Fox News, he was talking about the Ukraine war.
He said at one point, he goes, the war never would have happened if I was president, which Putin threw him a bone and backed him up on that the other day and said the war wouldn't have happened if Trump was president.
Just saying what, you know, he's smart enough to know.
And Putin's smart enough to know that this is how you negotiate with Donald Trump.
The world would have never started with you, my friend.
So that's kind of a silly point.
But aside from that, so Donald Trump goes, he goes, it never would have happened if I was president.
Then he takes it a step further than what he normally says.
Oh, who's the person who has expertise in every single one of those fields?
It wouldn't have even happened if anyone else was president.
If we had just had a regular president, this war never would have happened.
It's only because Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of America, was president that that's why this happened.
But then I'm sitting there as I listen to that and I go, yeah, but dude, didn't you you told me that they cheated?
Like you didn't really lose the election in 2020.
That's but you've stuck to that story now for many years.
So you're saying they cheated.
You're making a similar claim here.
They overthrew democracy.
They installed Joe Biden and a war where hundreds of thousands, maybe well over a million people have died happened because they cheated the election.
There isn't an expert in all of those fields.
OK, so I'm going to need to know who they is and I'm going to need to know when we're going to see him perp walked like.
You're the president now.
But all of us on some level don't really think they're going to start arresting people over the stolen election of 2020.
I don't think they have any evidence.
No, so I agree with all of that.
I'm just saying like once you've made these statements and your administration is in.
Yeah, he didn't have an answer.
It was one of the most interesting parts of your podcast with him was like when you asked him about that, it was like you really didn't have anything to back it up.
Well, there's also a big difference between...
you know, speculating and asking some questions and being like, I'm not sure I believe the official story of this.
And there's a difference between then being as a president of the United States going, this is what happened.
Like this was, and if you're going to say that, then you got to give me your theory, like really lay it out for me.
Like is, and, and he never had that part, but I will say, uh,
They kind of pivoted off the Epstein thing into Russiagate, which seemed to be designed that there was this tremendous desire.
It's the whole reason Donald Trump's political existence is a thing.
is that people are furious about the swamp.
They're furious about how corrupt our government is and the profound crimes that the government has committed against the American people.
And they want justice for that.
And so they pivoted off of Epstein after promising to deliver something on that and then went, okay, well, how about Russiagate now?
So now they're, but I will say,
Tulsi Gabbard released a bunch of new documents, and there were some pretty interesting ones there.
It wasn't like she just released new stuff where it was like, oh, we already knew all this.
There was new stuff in there that we didn't really already know.
And she referred it over to the Justice Department.
She said in her press conference that we have proof that Obama committed treason.
And they've at least sent it to the Justice Department.
And from what I understand, there is a grand jury being assembled or something like that.
The deepest part of my soul goes, there's no way.
There's no way they're actually going to try to prosecute Obama and Brennan and Clapper and Comey.
But... The FBI raided John Bolton's house today.
Yes, I think that's unrelated.
But that is an interesting story also.
Well, so now I don't think she said treason.
I don't think legally that's technically right.
But I've someone might correct me on that.
Maybe it's sedition or something.
I mean, like, I think treason.
I think John Brennan did commit treason when he armed al Qaeda in Syria.
And Obama as well with the rest of Obama and John Kerry and Brennan.
I think that's literally treason, right?
Giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war.
What Obama and Comey and Clapper did to Donald Trump is they framed him for treason.
So what do you call that exactly?
Now, I guess Obama can't be guilty of the current the sitting U.S.
president, but he was guilty of the candidate and the president elect.
So because he was out of there by the time Trump comes in.
But what Tulsi Gabbard released that I thought was very interesting, which I had never seen before.
I remember was last year, the year before.
But there was one episode that me and you talked a lot about Russiagate and got like pretty deep into it.
But what Tulsi released, which I've never seen before, was that there was a consensus amongst the intelligence agencies after the 2016 election.
So this is Hillary Clinton's lost, but Barack Obama is still president and Donald Trump is the president-elect.
And they had consensus that there was no meaningful interference.
in the election and then there is this one meeting with Obama that she points to where this is where the consensus changes and they had a new threat assessment written that actually we believe Russia interfered in the election but it was total bullshit they've never been able to back it up for shit you know they find minor little things here or there but nothing that demonstrates that like the results of this were flipped and then they ran with that for three years after it but there's not a record of that meeting right
She just released a bunch of documents with records of that meeting.
Now, I think they have... She had a few... Did they have to do that?
She had a couple different documents there that had notes from the meeting.
I think one had minutes of the meeting.
But no, you're not listening to an audio tape of it.
We don't have a Nixon talking about the gays and the Jews or something like that.
Be an interesting thing to find.
You know, that'd be interesting for a court proceeding.
We'll see what comes of this, which again, I'm not betting on anything coming of this.
But there is something interesting.
Look, there's a lot of things that happen after that.
The real, to me, the true outrage of Russiagate is that they didn't stop after he won the presidency.
It's still pretty outrageous to try to frame a candidate.
It's still pretty outrageous for Hillary Clinton to have opposition research and use an actual Russian spy and a British spy to do it.
You know, that's campaign stuff.
It's a little bit different.
Like once he becomes the commander in chief, then you have the FBI and the CIA still working to frame him.
And so this is where and for all of that stuff, Hillary Clinton's gone.
Comey is still there for at least a few months.
And then you have like Andrew McCabe and people like that who.
on his 60 Minutes interview, and anybody can go, look at it, he literally said that they debated at the Justice Department, and this is the highest levels of the Justice Department, it was, I mean, Jeff Sessions would have been the Attorney General at the time, and he may have recused himself already by that time, so maybe not him, but then everybody else, like the top two, three guys at the Justice Department, all sat down and debated what to do, and they said, they decided we're going to invoke the 25th Amendment,
to remove donald trump as president and that basically they went around and realized they weren't going to be able to do that that they weren't going to have enough people in his cabinet willing to turn on him to invoke the 25th amendment which by you know the 25th amendment is designed for joe biden it's designed for we still didn't use it even over these last few years which is crazy you know even after the debate they go we need a new candidate but no one went
Yeah, but this guy can't be commander-in-chief for the next six months.
But they said they were going to invoke the 25th Amendment.
Andrew McCabe says this himself.
And that they realized they couldn't do that.
And so they settled on...
They settled on a special prosecutor because they couldn't remove him.
So this was their other attempt.
We'll investigate everything in his life.
We'll find some crime somewhere.
It's to this day, a miracle that they didn't, I can't believe they didn't find any other dirt on Donald Trump.
I always thought when Mueller started being the special prosecutor, I literally, and you can listen to my podcast.
If you want to go part of the problem available, wherever podcasts are sold.
I said at the time, I go, they're not going to find anything on Russiagate because there's nothing there.
But they're going to find something.
The guy's been a real estate developer in New York City for how many decades now?
Everyone, every real estate developer has committed a few crimes.
They locked up, you know, they charged a bunch of his people around him with...
tax crimes and other things that had nothing to do with Russiagate.
Then they tried to put pressure on them to flip on him.
That's how they do these things.
None of them had anything on him.
And so anyway, so they got, but the point is that it was the deep state attempting to remove the sitting president of the United States of America off of something that they knew was bullshit.
You know, you had people, Eric Swalwell was out on cable news saying not only an asset saying Donald Trump is a Russian agent.
He's working for Vladimir Putin.
And they all knew this was bullshit.
Online on CNN, on MSNBC, on ABC, CBS, every day.
And they're the same ones up there going, we've got to arm Ukraine until the end.
We've got to give Israel more bombs to drop on the Palestinians.
Or I think by changing their name to MSNow, you're supposed to forget.
Yeah, I think they, you know, I don't know exactly what they're doing, but I saw it was announced the other day that they're changing it from MSNBC to MSNow.
I think she's the only one who pulls in any type of numbers.
It's probably not fair to Bill O'Reilly.
Bill O'Reilly was pretty rough in his day.
I mean, they were so bad on Iraq, dude.
Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and all those guys.
I mean, they were just like, I mean, it's just like as if it was a certainty every day.
It was a certainty that he had nuclear weapons.
And, you know, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, you know... No, that's worse.
Don't you think that's worse?
I mean, a million people died.
So there's a strong argument that that's worse than other things.
But there is something about... Look, first of all, there is something about framing the sitting U.S.
president that truly is a crime against the republic in a profound sense.
But the other thing about Russiagate, which I think makes it, you know, where you could maybe enter into the debate...
And then covid, you know, you can argue with all these things.
That's quite as bad as the war in Iraq.
Really destroyed a lot of people's lives.
But the part of the reason why they framed Donald Trump.
So in 2016, Donald Trump was explicitly running on.
He talked about this is like all the debates and in the beautiful.
kind of childlike Trumpian way where he just has no filter.
So he just says the thing that's in his mind.
And then he often thinks he's like a genius because no one else has said this out loud.
But it's not that they haven't thought of it.
It's just that they're all corrupt.
But he just said, because at the time the war in Syria was going on and Donald Trump would just say,
Why are we in Russia on opposite sides in the war in Syria?
You know, Russia's trying to kill the terrorists.
That's who we're trying to kill.
Because Obama and Brennan had been siding with the terrorists.
They had been funding al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria to try to overthrow Bashar al-Assad because that was part of the clean break strategy to the seven countries in five years.
This was the next guy they were trying to overthrow.
They ended up getting that regime change earlier this year.
So they were working on that.
And then Trump just went, we should be friends with Putin and we should work together on killing the terrorists.
I don't care about overthrowing Assad.
I don't even know what you're talking about.
Why would we want to overthrow the secular dictator in a three-piece suit who shaves his chin?
He's just like, this is stupid.
I don't want to be a part of that.
And he was running on, we should be friends with Russia.
And this drove all of the Republicans crazy.
I mean, we should be friends with Russia.
But that was just what he was running on.
And so part of the deal of framing him for being in a conspiracy with Vladimir Putin was that he couldn't be friends with Russia anymore.
And this and so, you know, because if Donald Trump had come in in 2017 or 2018 and announced some new treaty with Vladimir Putin or some partnership or something like that, the entire media would have been like, see, that's proof.
We've been telling you he's in with when he just he went to Helsinki.
Aside from this week, I think that was the last time the two of them were face to face was in Finland in 2017.
I could be wrong about that, but I think that was the last time the two of them were together.
And there was this big thing.
I don't know if you remember this, but it was a big deal at the time was that Donald Trump said they asked him what, you know, they were like, hey, your intelligence agencies are saying that Vladimir Putin interfered in the election.
Did you ask him about that?
And Trump goes, yeah, I asked him about that.
And he told me he didn't interfere in the election.
And then they made a huge thing about this on foreign soil.
Donald Trump says he believes Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agency.
You know, the men and women who protect us every day.
The men and women who protect us.
The men and women who frame the sitting president.
But so that's kind of the game right there.
And then you had these like conflicts that are going on and not just ultimately what, you know, in Ukraine, right?
The civil war was already going on there.
I mean, the civil war started after 2014.
This was like right in the middle of that civil war.
And so anyway, my point is just to compare it to Iraq.
Who knows how big of a deal was it to poison a U.S.
president who wanted to have detente with Putin at that time?
Like maybe we could have avoided this whole thing and that the death toll – I don't know.
I've seen different reporting on it.
I mean it's – I think it's more military and less civilians, which does matter.
Well, that's a good point.
That's a good point, too.
So, you know, I mean, look, it still changes the moral calculation a little bit when someone puts on a uniform and is holding a gun.
It's a little bit different than a kid or something like that.
But, you know, the the crime of of killing the potential for a president to make peace with Putin.
I mean, this is you know, this is the thing that's so like.
Well, it's funny, dude, because so like since the last time I was on, this has been kind of like the knock on me in a way now.
infuriating about all of it and something that really, you know, it's like, well, you know, I'm told like, I'm not an expert, you're just a comedian.
It's like, leave this to the serious experts here.
But the thing that's so goddamn frustrating and just like profoundly reckless
Is that look like when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and you go back before that.
But like, let's just take that as a point to start.
Like, it should have been obvious to any rat.
Like, if there really was this class of experts, I would be so happy to turn this over to them.
Let me go tell jokes at the mothership.
That's what I'm supposed to do.
But the thing is, if there were serious, rational adults who had wisdom way beyond what some shit talking comedian knows about, which there should be.
Then they would have recognized that the most important priority in the history of the world is the relationship between DC and Moscow.
There's never been anything more important than that.
And that doesn't even matter whether you're a Russian or an American.
It doesn't matter if you live in Brazil or wherever.
The most important thing in the history of the world is these two capitals that have 90% of the world's nuclear weapons between the two of them get along.
OK, you know, like this is the most important thing.
This could end our species if they don't.
So, like, let's make sure they do.
And that seemed to have been the priority of almost no one in power.
A few exceptions to that, but almost nobody went like so.
My point is poisoning the relationship between a president who wants peace with Russia is on the level of launching a war in Iraq.
I mean, it's like it's that bad of a thing to do.
And hopefully it doesn't get to that point.
But it is a profoundly reckless thing to do.
You know, that's like a...
I don't even mean to downplay that.
It's an understandable point.
I think the issue, like this is what I've always seen, like the issue with the kind of take money out of politics angle and why I think the better approach is to take politics out of money.
Like I think – and I'm not saying either is easy to do.
But the issue that you have – and I know that there's a lot of like people I really love really say that all the time.
They go like you got to take money out of politics.
And I would certainly support like if there was – I think Rand Paul had a proposal –
a few years ago where it was like, if you make any money from a government contract, you should not be allowed to work in that sector for 20 years after you made, there's something like you shouldn't be able to be a defense contractor and then, you know what I mean, go into- Revolving door.
And anything like that probably is a good idea if you can get it passed.
Good luck getting it passed.
But the issue really comes like the major problem
is the most powerful organization in the history of the world, that they spend seven trillion dollars a year.
And this is that is so much power.
Like, it's just it's hard to quantify.
It's literally like like if you think about it in your mind, right, like you think about like how much money Elon Musk has.
And then just to think that one year of federal spending is like squishing him like an ant.
Like, it's nothing, dude.
Like, the money Elon Musk has is nothing compared to $7 trillion, you know?
That's just one year, what they spend in Washington, D.C.
And when you have that much concentrated power, the idea of saying, well, we're going to write a rule that says nobody's allowed to try to manipulate that power.
Okay, and then you know look there are rules.
There's all types of funny way to put it because it's like so undeniable Well look there there are rules that say that like foreigners aren't allowed to contribute to Political campaigns and like there's different regulations on all of them But like Saudi Arabia is not allowed to give Hillary Clinton's campaign ten million dollars
But they could give the Clinton Foundation $10 million.
So, like, you write these rules, they find another way to do it.
By the way, all that money, the Clinton Foundation was making so much money until right around 2016...
Everyone stopped donating to it.
It's just so weird like the Saudis were really into charity Until right around that so the the point is that you can't the only thing like like it's not the lesson of The Lord of the Rings wasn't like we really need some common-sense regulations about how you use this ring The lesson
Is that you have to destroy this thing.
I'm not saying that's easy.
I don't know who our Frodo is.
But the the point is that this power has.
So this is fundamentally, I think, why I think the Ron Paul libertarians have it right.
And while I really do respect some other left wingers.
I think they have it wrong when they go like, no, we need the government to be working for us rather than working for them.
It's like that is unrealistic.
It's unrealistic enough that we'll just be able to cut.
But the answer is that there should be way less power in Washington, D.C.
And that's George Washington's constitutional republic that we are supposed to be living under is the idea is that there's like, oh, Washington, D.C.
The states have a lot of power.
The people have a lot of power.
It's not all concentrated in one capital because then you get what we have.
Or are we doing something different?
No, it's the people get to vote, but if they vote wrong, then the powerful might have to come in and let the people know that they have erred.
But it's a unique time to see a power struggle.
And I should, I guess, preface by saying, first of all, I find this race to be a fascinating microcosm of where we're at politically in so many different ways.
And I am, I should preface by saying, I am the most free market capitalist libertarian guy.
I don't believe in socialism at all.
Most libertarians are communists compared to me.
Like I believe in less, whatever government you believe in, I believe in less than that.
So I do not agree with Mamdani's, you know, any of his economic policies.
There is something, though, that you just can't deny where it's like, okay, look, first of all, you got this young guy who's kind of the anti-establishment candidate.
He's a newcomer to politics.
He's a newcomer to being a citizen of the country, however you feel about that.
His campaign was laser focused on one issue, which was the unaffordability of New York City.
Which, if anybody at all is familiar with New York City, that is the issue of New York City.
It's the issue for 99% of the people who live in New York City.
The top 1% of New York City are doing great, but everybody else is just struggling to get by.
You're either rich or you're struggling in New York City.
And the prices have gone up dramatically in the last few years.
So he just ran his whole campaign laser focused on that.
Then the establishment comes in and they run...
Andrew Cuomo, the disgraced former governor who murdered old people in nursing homes, who had a Me Too thing, which I don't know how legit that was, but got driven out and disgraced.
Governor lockdown representing the failure that just wrecked this city.
And then what did they try to hit him on?
They thought that was his weakness.
Dude, that debate was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.
It's like imagine picking, you know it's like, it's literally like if you were fighting like Islam Makachev or something like that and you went, I'm gonna attack his wrestling.
That's where I think he's weak.
They thought this, they'd go, and they'd bring it up and go through all the candidates.
They'd go, he hasn't even pledged to go visit Israel.
He said, I'll stay here in New York.
He goes, I'll talk to Jewish people who are right here in New York City.
I don't need to go to Israel.
And then the funniest thing to me- But that might have won him.
Well, you know, they they actually thought that pointing out that this guy, which, by the way, the mayor of New York City has nothing to do with foreign policy anyway.
But they thought that pointing out to everybody that this guy doesn't carry the baggage of supporting the war party.
But we all support the war party.
Was going to win over liberal New Yorkers?
Like how out of touch do you have to be?
And this is, Jude, I got to say just something that's so fascinating about the whole broader Israel-Palestine debate discussion is that he goes at one point – he said that he's like a one-state solution guy.
And for people who follow this stuff, there's some people who believe in a two-state solution.
Some believe in a one-state solution.
Some believe in the status quo, which is just like apartheid forever or whatever.
I believe he goes, I think Israel has a right to exist as a state with equal rights for everyone.
You know, like everybody gets equal rights.
And they tried to make that out to be like an evil statement, which is just was so hilarious to me that they're just as one guy goes, I believe in equal rights for all.
Look at this Nazi with his equal rights for all talk.
Anyway, nobody... It just had no effect on anything other than to just be like, oh, he also doesn't have the baggage of supporting this genocide, which is very unpopular.
And so anyway, it's just like, well, he's focused on the actual crisis, which is the unaffordability of New York City.
They're talking about supporting this war, which has nothing to do with the role of the mayor anyway.
You look at it, you can't believe that that's actually what they tried to attack him on.
Well, I think they're terrified of young people that are popular like that.
And especially there's a reason why socialism is becoming so attractive to young people.
And I think it's like what I was laying out before.
They can't afford anything.
There's no path for them to get into the ownership class.
Yeah, I'm sure that's part of it as well.
You're my emotional support comedian.
face first for that cliff we're running right to the edge of that cliff full clip saying we got to go over the cliff yeah and that's a lot of well it's a lot of these things all happening at once too and also the young generation is totally outside of the corporate media model i mean they're just not even listening it's not like a do they do they watch msnbc or fox news no neither they don't
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Now, and then go and see, because I have looked at polling data on this, where you go look at who's supporting Israel.
Well, you have to scare people.
It's those cable news watchers.
It's the 70 and over crowd is who they still got.
You know, if you want to if you want to implement like a tyrannical policy, you almost always have to scare people.
Just give me the internet.
I mean, that's now the only way.
The whole just fake thing about their presentation and all of this, it just doesn't... They're not humans.
It doesn't work if you didn't, like... If you didn't transition from, like, Walter Cronkite into that, that's not going to work for you anymore.
But I do think... So this is like a... It's, you know, I was just looking at this the other day, though, where it's like, which is really, you know, even to me is...
Like you just said, like being terrified is not good for your health on a human level.
kind of something I would not have been able to even fathom or predict a couple years ago.
But the way in which every demographic has turned against Israel over this shit in Gaza, except essentially boomer Republicans who are still as strong as they've ever been in supporting them.
But every... You know, Israel is...
It's really in many ways like the third rail of American politics.
This is the thing you are not allowed to talk about.
This is the thing that would get you fired from CNN, would get you kicked out of D.C., would get your career ruined.
Pat Buchanan made a joke once on the McLaughlin Group like years ago, like decades ago.
He made a joke once where he said something about – he said Congress is Israel-occupied territory or something like that.
We also all know that it's not good for good decision making, you know, but it is excellent for I will turn my brain off and give the authority to you.
And for the rest of his career, this was the scandal.
Hit pieces were written about this.
The young people are totally outside of that ecosystem and they're just hearing from different people and they're like, no, I'm not buying it.
And it's you know, I think it's a mix of a few things.
Like I think it's it's just that, you know, we have the technology.
You can see what Israel is doing to Gaza.
It is so evil that it's damn near impossible to to find a way.
I mean, some people do, but it is really difficult to find a way to be like, I'm actually OK with that.
It's been going on for four years.
And then the second thing is just that like the relationship between the U.S.
government and the Israeli government is so freaking bizarre that once you see it and once a whole generation of young people see it, it's like impossible for them to unsee it.
And, you know, it's just too weird.
New York City mayoral politics.
And the idea that it is, you know, the idea that it's just accepted as normal, that it's
The politicians for your country must worship this other country.
And you're like, so what did that other country like beat us in a war and they're occupying us now?
And you're like, no, no, you're the superpower.
They are your welfare country, you know, but yet you must go kiss their wall.
You must say Tammy Bruce from the State Department.
And I know she was kind of being tongue in cheek, but where she goes, we're the greatest country in the world.
I mean, look, it was right after 9-11.
Well, second greatest to Israel.
You're like, what was she being tongue in cheek?
It was a weird thing to say.
That is a weird thing for any representative of your government to say.
If anyone sat there and said, just went, you know, I think America is the greatest country in the world.
Well, Finland, I guess, is the greatest.
I'm like, Finland's a cool country.
I got nothing against them.
But what are you talking about?
But really, I do think the...
Well, it's the relationship.
It's how horrible what Israel's doing is.
And it's how clearly it's not in our national interest.
Have you ever been an emotional support comedian?
People forget about this, but the level to which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush used to fearmonger.
Alexandrovich or something like that.
I read a couple articles about it.
Well, they said that he showed up with condoms, was what I read in the article, to meet what he thought was a 15-year-old.
I forgot the detail that it was a boy.
Not that it changes things much.
By the time you see the condom, you're like, I don't think you should use that one, by the way.
I think you should go get a new one.
Yeah, that was a different time.
Dick Cheney, the vice president of the United States of America, who is a bit more than just your average vice president, he said, it's not a matter of if, but when.
So that's kind of crazy that you just Well, I heard so I heard some people claiming and I'm not sure what's right about this But there were people who were arguing that like the website or the app or whatever that he was on is 18 and up and so they were saying like no he thought he was meeting an adult or something like that well This is what I thought too is like how do we know that this isn't a setup?
There will be another 9-11 attack.
They were trying to tell the American people right after 9-11 to be in a constant state of fear.
From what I've read about it, I believe he has a court date coming up in a few days.
Well, that's going to be a big tell there, right?
I've been blown away by this in lots of ways over the last couple of years.
It's almost like they were just so accustomed to the old way of doing things.
Yeah, someone criticizes you, you label them as a bigot and you destroy their lives and that works.
Well, and there's like...
So I've been using this analogy or comparison lately.
So if you remember when Joe Biden had that disastrous debate with Donald Trump, and the debate opens and everybody watching it knows this is over.
I mean, it was so bad, but it's not just that it was so bad.
I mean, it's it's the you know, before the debate, you know, there's Rachel Maddow at a desk with a bunch of people.
We're now going to the first presidential debate.
Joe Biden's going to kick his ass.
They were already talking about how it was.
Remember the term deep fakes?
They came up with where it's or cheap fakes.
It's not a deep fake, but it's kind of like a deep fake.
See, they're showing you a real video of Joe Biden being senile.
But see, that's just as fake as a deep fake because they didn't include the context or something like that.
That was the talking point that.
Right before we go into the debate, the debate cuts, it goes back to the same panel and they go, we got to find a new candidate.
Like they had, they acknowledged that.
And part of the reason why we all knew it was over in that debate was it wasn't just how bad the debate was.
It was that now you have to admit this.
You know, you were pretending this thing didn't exist.
Now you got to admit it exists.
And once you admit it exists, there's now a microscope on Joe Biden like there never was before.
So tomorrow when he's doing an interview and he mixes up a name, that may not have been such a big deal two days ago.
It feels weird doing this without Doug, to be honest.
But after that debate performance, when he mixes up another name, now you're like, look, there it is again.
Everything became amplified after that point.
And I think don't you think they set him up?
But sure, that's a whole separate issue.
But yes, I do think they set him up.
The threat level or whatever.
But I think a similar thing has happened with Israel, where now everyone's looking at it and everyone's watching and everyone's going, wait, what the hell is going on here?
So a pedophile can just go flee to Israel.
How many other pedophiles have gone and fled to Israel?
Oh my god, they've opened Pandora's box and there's just I think no way to put this back in because it's too weird It's too weird to not notice and that doesn't mean you have to like jump to the conclusion of like, you know You have to hate Jewish people or something like that I'm not advocating anything like that but you do kind of have to question the relationship between DC and Tel Aviv and like what is going on here because this is so utterly bizarre, you know, it's so crazy to see like
And then one day they'd be like, it's up to yellow.
The American people are against what Israel's doing to Gaza.
It obviously hurts America's.
And I mean, we were really still traumatized from 9-11.
It hurts our as the they use in the preamble to the Constitution.
I like that that phrase domestic tranquility.
This is destroying our domestic tranquility.
We got people fighting over this stuff.
We're pissing off the Muslim world again, which we've already had to deal with them hating our guts now.
We're deporting legal residents because they had the wrong opinion.
And it's impossible to not look at this and go like, hey, what's going on here?
And they don't have any answer for that.
And, you know, the other thing, too, is that it's just I don't know if you've noticed this, but there's like there's a lot of people now trying to jump off of the sinking ship.
You know, a lot of people who are even like supporters of Israel who are kind of going like, I think they are going a little too far on this one.
And they're trying because it's just you see everything.
You can see the writing on the wall all over the place, man.
But the thing about it is, is that they knew what they wanted to do.
You're going to be looked at.
This is going to be the period.
And it's not even like supporting the war in Iraq.
It's much worse than that, dude.
You're just supporting this destruction.
They just launched another offensive on Gaza City the other day.
It's biblical levels of evil.
And we're sitting here, even as we're having this conversation now,
I don't, I know a few, I remember coming on the podcast a couple years ago when this conflict first started and then when it would go, and it was almost like I was coming on to be like, look, let me present the argument for why we shouldn't support what Israel's doing here.
They knew the policy they wanted to start embarking on.
Present the other side of the debate.
I feel now like the debate's over.
I don't even think there's like much of a debate to be had.
I'll keep doing them if somebody wants to come debate about the issue.
But what are we talking about here?
Dude, South Africa brought a genocide case to the International Court of Justice.
And the International Court of Justice ruled that what Israel was doing to Gaza was plausibly a genocide.
21 months ago, they said this was plausibly a genocide.
And the thing's gone on the entire time since then.
There was a huge Tourette's piece a couple months ago about, you know, because we've seen so many examples of this, but they had IDF soldiers off the record and at least one on the record saying that they were given orders to fire live rounds into the crowds of desperate people trying to get food.
They hate the big lie, which was they hate us for our freedom, which was like really the big lie after 9-11 was like because because the American people very organically wanted to know what the beef was like 9-11.
Literally having starvation throughout Gaza.
I don't know if you saw this, dude.
I mean, I couldn't I actually like found this hilarious, but I'm a comedian who has a real twisted, dark sense of humor.
But the Free Press, Barry Weiss's publication, like ran a piece like debunking the starvation
Gaza and one of the examples that I'm not making this up like you go look at this I'm not I mean I'm very close to exactly accurate on this one of the examples they picked was it like a kid who was starving to death and their attempt at debunking it was that actually this kid had another major issue when an Israeli bomb cracked his skull
So that's your defense that like, yes, he starved to death, but it was also, you know, with these other complications, this was the big one where the New York times had that big picture of the starving baby.
And then they made a big thing out of being like, nobody had other medical problems too.
And then the mother had said, well, they said he's, the mother said that the doctors told her that the reason they had other medical problems is because she was malnourished during pregnancy.
It's like, okay, so yes, you are right, Israel defenders.
The kids starving to death are the ones who have other complications.
That's always who dies first in famines.
I don't know what victory you think this is.
So since the International Court of Justice ruled it was plausibly a genocide, the 21 months up to today, since then, I know...
at least to Ehud Omar and Ehud Barak, both former prime ministers of Israel, have come out and said Netanyahu's committing war crimes in Gaza.
Now, they didn't call it a genocide, but they called it war crimes.
So that's where your debate is at this point.
Everybody was like, yo, why do they hate us?
Where are we between genocide and war crimes?
What area in there does this occupy?
But how the fuck do you defend any of that, dude?
And their answer was they hate you for your freedom.
And by the way, this is going to happen again.
Definitely more on that side, yeah.
But that's been like the essentially that's like the knock is like, yeah, but you're acting like you're an expert, but you're just some comedian.
Yeah, well, there was just a... So here it is.
Understand that they're so irrational that their beef with you is that like your grandma can go to the grocery store.
So what do you do with that other than say what the American people said, which is George W. Bush?
It's going to give a more politically correct answer at this point, I bet.
I'd be fascinated to see what it says.
What do you think it's going to say?
I'm guessing politically correct answer.
Some argue yes, some say no.
You have a blank check to go attack whoever you want to and will support you.
Well, also, I mean, I think one of the real problems, and this is why I kind of avoided using the term genocide too much, at least in the beginning, is that...
There's no good definition for genocide.
That definition they gave you at the beginning is the official codified under international law definition.
It's attempting to destroy a group in whole or in part.
Well, what the hell does that mean?
And that's why they could say Hamas committed a genocide on October 7th.
It's like, I don't know, they destroyed a group in part.
And the whole South African case that they brought to the ICJ was...
Basically, the entire case was just the Israelis in their own words.
Their argument was that there's a genocidal intent here.
When Benjamin Netanyahu's talking to a group of military and calls them Amalek, well, the story of Amalek from the Bible is that the moral of the story was you have to kill all the women and children.
That's what the story was about.
I think you even had to kill the ox or something like that.
I'm not an expert in the Bible.
But it was like that was the point.
It was like an ancient tribe that was beefing with the Israelites.
And they were like, the moral was you have to kill all the women and children too.
And that's a crazy thing to say at the beginning of a war.
But the thing is that whether you consider what Israel is doing a genocide or you just take the moderate position of former Israeli prime ministers who say it's war crimes, I think the bigger point is just like –
It is so horrifically evil.
No one should support this.
It is it is so insane to support Israel doing this to what are in effect their own people.
They may not consider them their own people, but I don't care what they consider.
I care what they have power over.
You know, Hitler maybe didn't consider the Jews his own people, but doesn't matter, dude.
Once you have control of that country, those people are your people like you have an obligation to them.
Israel has had control of Gaza since 1967.
They've been the sovereign.
And all the way through, you know, people could talk about the disengagement in 2005, but that doesn't mean anything.
They still controlled the whole strip.
They just didn't have their soldiers inside.
They had them around the perimeter.
You're still controlling those people.
And so, like, if you have resistance, even violent resistance to a 60-year-long occupation...
You don't get to just say, all right, we'll just turn off electricity to the whole place.
We'll just cut off water to the whole place.
We'll let no food in for three straight months.
Not one grain of wheat got into Gaza.
And that, by the way, is a direct quote from their finance minister, Smotrich.
And not one grain of wheat will get in.
And then a few months later, you go, oh, no, but the people starving, they had pre-existing conditions.
And particularly when it's like,
It's just very obvious that this doesn't serve our country's interest in any way at all.
I was listening to Netanyahu's interview he did the other day.
He was on with our friend Konstantin Kassin on trigonometry.
He goes, we're fighting Hamas, so you don't have to – or something like that.
Does anybody what anybody believe that Hamas was about to mount an attack on the United States of America?
They were going to take over if it wasn't for Israel sticking up for us and just destroying the entire strip.
It's like you'll still to this day.
I'll be in like a debate or like a panel or something like that.
And someone will still start with the question, like, do you think Israel has the right to exist?
And isn't it amazing that over the last two years, that's been the question that's asked so much when very clearly a more relevant question would have been, does Gaza have a right to exist?
That was the only existence that was ever up for debate.
But they flipped the thing around and go, well, you don't think Israel has a right to exist?
First of all, I don't think governments have rights at all.
I think that's a totally incoherent worldview.
And the only coherent worldview is that individuals have rights.
There aren't these massive rights.
It's like Mitt Romney saying corporations are people or something like that.
But I think all people have the right to exist.
I think Israel does not have a right to do what it's doing to Gaza.
And the real question is how does this end?
Well, it seems to be with ethnically cleansing, the entire strip seems the most likely bet right now.
Yeah, it's like 80% of the structures have been leveled.
Yeah, something like the PR.
Well, also part of the reason why, you know, it's like because I don't know.
People have just you don't have the controlled propaganda apparatus anymore.
And so the thing is now for the people like obviously there are still a lot of people who just don't really pay attention, you know, that deeply.
But for somebody who's listening, let's say to Netanyahu's interview with with Constantine.
I'd have to say like a large portion of them at this point, you're listening to podcasts about politics, right?
Like you're not completely removed from this world.
There have been so many Israel-Palestine debates over the last two years.
It's almost everyone who's watching this has at least seen what some competent person on the other side of this issue has had to say.
And so like one of the times, you know, they brought up at one point and they really did, you know, I thought Constantine did a reasonably good job in the interview.
I forget his, what's his partner's name?
The two of them, I thought they did all right.
I thought they were a little, you know, there were times they could have asked some follow-up questions, particularly the one that I thought they let him off the hook with was when they asked him about his support for Hamas.
And they just totally let him go like, oh, well, you know, we needed to make sure that people weren't suffering too bad and let some aid in.
And it's like, no, that's not.
And the thing is that so many people listening to this have already heard this explained.
I remember a couple years ago when I was talking with you, I was saying, hey, you know, Coleman Hughes got this all wrong when he was on your podcast.
And Coleman Hughes had basically said, there's one quote that's attributed to Netanyahu, but it wasn't on video or anything like that.
And I was like, no, no, no, dude, this case is much bigger than one quote that was attributed to him.
By the way, since then, a video came out of him saying it on video.
There's actually a video now of that quote.
It's not just the reports.
Well, the quote that they had the video of was that we can control the height of the flame.
So he was basically saying, like, we can commit... The quote that originally he said, which was in a closed-door Knesset meeting with Likud party members, where there were, like, three people who were eyewitnesses who came and told him, it was originally reported in the Jerusalem Post, was that he was like, look, anybody...
who wants to thwart the existence of a Palestinian state has to support our plan of propping up Hamas and transferring money to them because this is what gives us a no one to negotiate with certificate.
And then he said, we can control the height of the flame.
Meaning, like, I know what you're thinking.
I'm funding these terrorists right on our southern border.
But, like, don't worry about it.
We can control, you know, the height of the flame.
And then he found out he couldn't on October 7th.
But so they let him off the hook with that.
And people have just kind of heard this laid out.
I mean, it's not like I just say this on podcasts.
There's been major pieces written in the New York Times.
in the Times of Israel, in Haaretz, in the Jerusalem Post, in the Washington Post.
This is all over the place.
And he just goes, no, no, no, no.
We were just trying to get some funding in there for the people.
At this point, anyone believes that Benjamin Netanyahu was motivated by helping the poor people of Gaza rather than by thwarting a Palestinian state.
I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember thinking there was...
not much of substance to it he kind of just danced around it you know and and they also didn't get into specifically like you know at first they started asking him questions about like what was it like for you on that day but they didn't get into questions about like why was the response time so long how was this possibly able to happen like no not really i mean they didn't push him on that and then he you know said which i mean just think about how unimpressive this is is that he basically just went well there should be a full investigation
There should be a full investigation onto that from the top all the way down to the bottom.
And you're like, okay, this would be awesome.
Could we get the prime minister of Israel on the line?
Because maybe he could do something about this.
And they're like, oh, no, that's you.
It's almost two years later.
What are you talking about, dude?
You can't conduct an investigation while you're destroying the Gaza Strip?
Does it have to wait until after that?
You got time to do a podcast.
Did they ask him about the protests?
Yes, there's also been protests this week.
By the way, massive protests in Tel Aviv.
I read a few articles about it in that the estimate seemed to be 500,000 people were out in the streets protesting the war.
And thank God for that, man.
And thank God for just like a...
Oh, by the way, the protests were led or I don't know, like led.
But the the featured acts at the protest were the families of hostages and surviving hostages.
They're the ones leading the charge being like, stop doing this.
Because if you think about it, could you imagine if you try to put yourself in the place of having someone you really love as a hostage, like Hamas has taken them hostage and they're trapped in one of these tunnels, and then you hear the plan is to cut off all food to the area, and you're like, yo, what?
How is that going to help your loved one who's a hostage there?
Like, how is it just bombing the place?
Like, what if you hit them?
It's like, obviously, if your main goal was hostage retrieval, this is not at all the way you would go about doing that.
You know, it's like this was a point, by the way, that that Daryl Cooper was making on Tucker Carlson's podcast, which got him a whole lot in a whole lot of trouble and got him a whole lot of pushback on.
But I think the essence of his point was about starvation blockades.
And then like saying, like, you know, you put a starvation blockade on Nazi Germany or something like that.
You go, OK, because the Nazis are your enemies and they're real bad guys.
But like, do you think Adolf Hitler is not eating?
Do you think any of his soldiers aren't eating?
That's going to be first priority, right?
Nazi party members and the Nazi military are going to care.
Who is maybe not going to get food?
Probably the most disenfranchised people in that society, right?
Well, some of them were, I guess, at that point, and some of them weren't.
And look, they were using, which was a horrible picture, but they had the image of one of those, there was like some pictures that had come out of one of the remaining hostages there who did look like, in bad shape, look like close to starvation.
And then the Israel supporters were using this as like their propaganda, like, look how horrible Hamas is, look what they're doing to them.
And you're like, yeah, but this did come after three months
of zero food being allowed into Gaza.
And so like, I don't know, to me it seems like it probably doesn't take a genius to go like, you know,
Hamas is going to be fed.
They're not going to suffer from these hunger strikes.
And in fact, a lot of the pro-Israel people and the Israeli government themselves, they were making claims, a lot of them unsubstantiated, but making claims that Hamas is stealing all of the food.
We let aid in previously, but Hamas stole it all.
Then they mark it up and charge more money for it to the people of Gaza.
That's always been the point.
And you're like, okay, but then what does a food blockade do?
I mean, you already said it's not taking food away from Hamas, right?
So who's the war against?
It's the civilian population.
And, of course, you'd imagine, just like under Nazi Germany, you'd imagine Jews and gypsies and others, they're going to get the worst treatment in a totally centralized war economy.
The state is going to decide who eats and who doesn't eat.
Who do you think they're going to pick?
This stuff just leads to unbelievable amounts of human suffering.
Well, I mean, you know, I guess there's some competing plans.
Like Donald Trump said kind of flippantly a few months back that America was going to take over the Gaza Strip and turn it into a big, beautiful property.
That was what I thought too.
But then Netanyahu said much more recently, just the other week or two ago, said that Israel is going to take over the Gaza Strip.
Which that sounds much more likely to me, you know, I think so I think this is the the weird dynamic kind of here is that I think It's not they're not like so stupid that I'm aware of something that like these guys aren't aware of right like they know that they've lost control of the media they look they know they've lost control of the narrative and they know that they've lost control of the youth in America and that at some point
You know, those 70 year olds watching cable news are going to age out and die.
Like, yes, I'm just a comedian.
And the people in charge are going to be this generation that has a totally different view of Israel than previous generations.
But then the question becomes, like, what do you do with that information?
And so I think that there is a part of Netanyahu and the Israeli war cabinet, the Israeli government who are looking at this and going, all right.
So we got like 10 more years of this relationship.
We got like 10 more years of where the U.S.
has our back and we can do whatever we want.
And so you could see where the conclusion from that might be.
Like if you really do have this greater greater Israel project.
Well, right now, under the Trump administration, this is your moment.
He has already vowed he's going to do whatever to support Israel.
He is totally on your side.
You have this administration.
There's every last member of this administration supports Israel.
Annex Gaza and the West Bank.
And, you know, parts of Syria, too, and whatever else they want to do.
So I think they might be going for it, you know?
They tried to suck Trump into a regime change war there, you know?
But the whole thing, you know, the whole 12-day war, first of all, this thing is not over.
We're kind of at... Like, the...
Fundamentals of the conflict are all still there.
And in fact, I think there was just a few days ago, there were a couple Israeli spokesmen who were already signaling, we may have to go see about this again.
Netanyahu himself said when him and Trump met in the White House, and it was a really fascinating moment,
which, you know, I'm not trying to make too much of, but it was pretty hilarious in a way, like a little microcosm, where they asked Donald Trump at one point, they go, so is that it with Iran?
Like, is the war continuing or is it over?
And he goes, well, you know, I don't really want to see it continue, but maybe that's a better question for Bibi.
You're like, well, my boss is right here, so you might as well ask him.
Which is not exactly true.
You know, I'm not saying that.
I know Jeffrey Sachs, who I love, who is a real expert, not like me or Douglas Murray, but a real expert who's, you know, I don't agree with him on everything, but his foreign policy is very good.
But he said, and I think he was saying it kind of tongue in cheek, but he said, I regard Netanyahu as the worst U.S.
president of my lifetime, which is a funny, very funny line.
And I get what he's saying.
How long has he been running?
Israel well he he came he was Prime Minister first in 1996 and then he's had a few stints where he was out But he's been in and out so they have a completely different set up obviously yeah, you can keep coming back Yeah, and so he was but he's the longest-serving prime minister in Israeli history at this point
And but I will say that there are people, you know, I know people go down, you know, rabbit holes on Twitter and stuff like that.
And I don't I do think Jeffrey Sachs is well, I think he was being somewhat tongue in cheek when he said it.
But I do think he's overstating his hand.
It's not that Israel runs America.
If Netanyahu ran America, I can promise you we would have had a regime change war in Iran.
We would not have stopped where Donald Trump stopped.
if Netanyahu was actually in control of the U.S.
military instead of just having significant influence over it.
So, like, I do think there's – I mean, I've just read enough about Netanyahu, the Likudniks, the neocons.
This is the regime change war that they've wanted.
This is seven out of seven to get around.
So this is what they want.
And if you actually even look at the war itself, it was like –
They, when Trump, it was before and after Trump dropped the bunker busters on their nuclear sites, Israel just started bombing regime targets.
They weren't just bombing their nuclear sites.
They were trying to overthrow the regime.
And in fact, they like made calls to these Iranian generals and threatened their families and basically said, we're going to kill your families unless you guys flee right now.
They weren't going to do that.
And then once that didn't work, they were kind of like, and then Iran said,
gave trump an out you know they responded with this nonsense you know the same thing they did after uh um they after trump killed solomony where they fire these rockets they give us advance warning they make sure we move everyone out of the way so because they know they know they don't want to kill an american there because then it's full-scale war but like if they hadn't
You know, it's so funny because, like, we put all of this in the mullahs' hands.
And if they had just decided, which every military analyst concludes they can touch Americans in the region, they didn't.
Had they, this would have been the—and I think that was the goal.
I think that was Netanyahu's goal of it, was to provoke that response that would have led to a regime change war.
And Trump, you know, to his credit, his instinct is to de-escalate these things when he can, but also to Trump's—
you know, fault never should have gotten in the thing to begin with.
It was all the whole Iranian nuclear threat is as much bullshit as the Iraqi nuclear threat.
When you have your mind blown like that, you need time after that before you make it funny.
I mean, yeah, it is true that they have a civilian nuclear program that Iraq didn't have.
I know I saw when Mike Baker was on who I love.
I love Mike Baker, but I think he's wrong about all this stuff.
But when he was when you even you had said to him at one point where you were like, yeah, but like, you know, the counter argument to that is that this is like a latent nuclear deterrent.
is the idea, not that they're developing a nuclear weapon.
And Mike was basically like, yeah, but they're up to 60%.
And that's on its way to 90%.
But the thing is, why weren't they at 90%?
They didn't have to stop at 60%.
They mastered the fuel cycle and they figured out all this technology a long time ago.
They could have enriched up to weapons grade.
Why did they stop at 60%?
And why did they then enter negotiations with the United States of America about the level to which they were enriching uranium?
It's a latent nuclear deterrent.
They were down at like 3% to 5% or something under the JCPOA until Trump tore it up, until Trump backed out of it, and then under the rules of the JCPOA, because they're still in it with Europe, and we'll see where that goes now, but they were allowed to up the enrichment once America pulled out, and so they exercised that option in the agreement.
And the idea that they were...
You know, look, there was the annual threat assessment had come out just a few months before the war.
And Tulsi Gabbard signed her name at the bottom of it and then testified before Congress.
She turned around and acted like people were misrepresenting it, but they weren't.
And still, being not an expert, hand me your favorite Warhawk and I will tear them to shreds because it's actually not that hard.
Anyone can read it for themselves.
Iran has not made the political decision to pursue a nuclear weapon yet, let alone try
have achieved it or gotten one.
And when Donald Trump was asked about that, remember they said, your own director of national intelligence says that they're not developing a weapon.
And he goes, well, I disagree.
Have you seen, there's other compilations of him too, where he's just guaranteeing
Like, all his guarantees.
Like, there's one of him in, like, I think it's the year before I was born, if I'm right.
And he didn't go by Benjamin Netanyahu back then.
He went by whatever his more, you know, European-sounding name was.
Well, because they all... No, when?
I would guess it's got to be in the 80s.
It was Netanyahu by the 90s.
But in the 80s, they were still calling him whatever.
I can't remember his previous name.
Well, they all kind of, you know, because the whole thing, Joe, is that they're all, you know, Israel was a European, you know, construct.
They were made by a bunch of Europeans who came over and created Israel.
But then they have to claim that they're the true Semitic people.
Double check me on that, but I believe it's true.
We should definitely double check that right now.
That you need permission from the government to go get DNA tests and stuff.
Well, look, the only real answer to this is that the Israel project or the Zionist project always relied on this kind of claim, which is a crazy claim in a way.
It's like a supernatural property right claim.
That, you know, like that you have this, which, you know, if you go, there was that great documentary on the settlers in the West Bank.
And they'll all tell you to a man or to a woman.
They focus a lot on that godmother of the settlers woman.
But they'll all explain to you like in very plain English with a Hebrew accent that God promised them all this land.
And so like God promised us all this land.
So like I don't know who these other people are here, but God didn't promise it to them.
And so, you know, that's but that's kind of the claim that we're the original people of this land.
And so we have like a right to come back here.
Now, forget for a second the fact that nobody conceives of property rights in this fashion in any other way.
Nobody thinks I could like come up with a DNA test and be like, oh, I've got some Ukrainian in here.
Well, I'm going to march into Ukraine, knock on a door and be like, this is actually my house because I was here a thousand years ago like that.
Well, let's just say hypothetically, if say the truth.
is that the Jews of 2,000 years ago weren't actually kicked out of the land, but in fact they were forced to convert, and that actually those people who you're saying were never promised the land are actually the people who were promised the land and then converted to Islam, and in fact you're just some European who came in here way after that.
Hypothetically if that was the case that would be something that maybe you would want to control the information of in that wild Well, you know I don't want this whole show to be such a Debbie Downer well, okay, I'll end up I will make a real positive
A real positive case about this.
Cause I do actually, I'm not a pessimist and I want to make sure I'm not just a downer.
You know, I saw too late.
Well, I've done whatever.
I've done 17 episodes being a downer.
So let me don't, I'll, you know, I'll give you a few minutes.
So I, I was, I hung out with Ron Paul a little bit as I was telling you, I was at his party the other day.
And, um, you know, it's like, uh, every time I see him,
he always asks me the same question and it's always like the feeling like this like fatherly, like there's a right answer to this and a wrong answer to this, but he always goes, he goes, so Dave, are you more optimistic or pessimistic?
And I always say optimistic because I know that's the correct.
And every time he asked me this and I say optimistic, he just nods his head.
He's like, like, it's just like, correct.
That's the correct answer.
You're not allowed to be pessimistic.
You got to be optimistic.
And you don't, you kind of, I think this, I mean, I feel this way particularly, I think when you have kids, this becomes like a more focused, I think that.
The way I look at it is because I have kids, I don't have an option to be pessimistic.
I don't have an option to be blackpilled or just feel bad about it.
They're going to inherit this world.
I got to do everything I can to, you know, like I may have said this before to you, but like the example I think of is like if you like, let's say you're in your house with your family and like you've got like, let's say a gun or two in the house and then you look outside and you see like there's like 10 guys with guns charging the house.
And it's just you and you just have your one or two guns.
There's 10 guys with guns charging the house and your family's in the house.
Like you don't have a right as like the man of your house.
You don't have a right to sit there and go, oh man, there's 10 of them and only one of me.
I mean, I just think the future looks bleak.
You know your house better than them, right?
You got some gasoline in your shed?
That blows up a few of them.
Get your family into the attic.
Get them into the basement.
You still have a fighting shot here.
So you don't have a right to just sit there and feel bad about, yeah, the odds are against you.
But you know, crazy things have happened.
I will say, we... You think it's that bad?
No, I'm just saying even in a scenario.
That's not reasonable optimism.
No, I don't know that you're necessarily fucked.
I mean, hey, listen, dude.
Depends if you're John Wick.
Well, yeah, but also there's a big advantage to a house that you know that other people don't know.
Okay, maybe it's not the perfect—I'm not saying it's going to work out well.
I'm saying in that moment, you still go out trying, okay?
Now, I think we have a way better situation than that.
I think that— Good, because you're freaking me out.
Well, look, I think that tyranny has always relied on propaganda.
And that we are running an experiment for like the first time where they're flying with no net.
They don't have a propaganda apparatus anymore, like at all.
Donald Trump can't even control what Tucker Carlson is going to say.
You can't even count on your most influential right-wing voice in America to go.
There was never anything like this before.
Even just in recent times, there was never something George W. Bush could have done where you'd be like, tonight on Fox News, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are going to tear him apart.
There was never anything Obama could have done where Rachel Maddow was going to tear him apart over that.
We have that for the first time now.
People are waking up in a way to this stuff that's never happened before.
And I think that gives us enormous potential for positive things to happen in the future.
And the other thing that's happening is that economically speaking, our system is being pushed
to a point where eventually they're gonna have to call it quits on all of this.
We just can't keep going up.
I think it was, I forget the exact recent numbers, but it's something like it's over $1.2 trillion a year just on interest on the debt.
Interest on the debt is like overtaking the entire budget.
And at a certain point there,
Someone's going to have to call it quits and be like, we just got to start reining this thing back in.
If they lose all of their popular support and all of their economic ability to keep running up the debt and keep the printing machines going, then I think there's going to have to be a huge adjustment made there.
And I do think like this was Elon's argument.
Well, OK, but he was right.
But that was still also like the first attempt at that.
And he was right about that stuff.
You know, Doge was a failure in terms of actually getting cuts done right now.
But it was a huge success in terms of like putting a spotlight on this issue and putting it into the national consciousness in a way that it's never been before.
And so now it's like, okay, well, what will the second attempt, what will the third attempt look like?
And how, you know, we have a new world now where Donald Trump won the presidency in no small part by coming on this show, by going on Andrew Schultz's show and Theo Vaughn's show and, you know, like all these different... And now...
We're coming up on the next presidential election.
Like for the foreseeable future, in order to win the presidency, they kind of know they got to come here and to all of our shows and present something that might get you and your audience like, okay, he's coming with something here.
This is such a new dynamic that I just think like the potential for good is off the charts.
And so like, yeah, in the short term, things are still the same.
Government policy is still what it is.
And the people don't really have much control over that.
But I think like long term, I'm very bullish on the ability of people to really wake up and understand what's going on here.
I was reading about that a couple weeks ago, right?
And that's being sold at dispensaries and stuff?
And like these people aren't really experts either.
Yeah, I know he intervened in the, not intervened, but he, with the India-Pakistan thing, I know he got all of them on the phone.
And he's, you know, I obviously just had Putin over here.
But yeah, I think there was a few examples of that, which is great.
Well, it's not not only is it great.
But it's isn't it so insane that it that it took this long for like just with the Putin and Donald Trump that like that, like I always say, I know this is kind of like a hippie ish thing to say, but I think the world needs a little bit more of that.
It's kind of crazy that war still exists.
It's kind of crazy that we're at the... You'd almost feel like if you saw a society and you're like, you've gotten to the point where you have the written language and two story buildings.
You'd be like, you probably should have figured out something other than war at this point.
But yet, you're talking about a society with the internet and skyscrapers and heart surgery and all these things.
And we have international governance of some sort.
You know, you have the United Nations and things like this.
And you're telling me like there is international law and like the first rule isn't that like if any countries are ever going to go to war, you guys have to get in a room together.
They never got kicked in the leg before?
Remember when Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson?
That's right.
Same thing.
That's kind of a cheap shot, though.
If you make an agreement about that, that's a cheap shot.
Into the shot, too.
Oh, yeah.
About to get full mount right there.
You would think more would too, right?
Yeah, but how many guys get there?
Think of, you know, relatively speaking.
I mean, they probably still made a lot, a couple, you know, a gang of millions.
25 mil 25 mil each nice at least 25 mil for their fight doesn't but even still like it's such a small population of boxers to make that as we said right so you would think that more would go you know what I probably got not gonna make 25 mil I'm not good enough to make that but I'm good enough to maybe go to MMA and make yeah 100 grand 200 grand they gotta sit there really good learned how many other skill sets though that's true but if you're a guy like Crawford who started out as a wrestler well that's
Yeah, Kermit Citron.
They think it's bullshit?
Yeah, I don't understand how they can do that.
Unless you're just lighting money on fire.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
He might be faster than Dominic Reyes.
I got to make predictions.
I'm like, well, they're 38 now.
Yeah, I think Gregory Rodriguez would be the biggest threat to Reiner de Ritter.
Good call.
When you think about styles, just the biggest threat.
I think he would knock Reiner de Ritter's head off.
I like that.
That should not be how you consume food.
Fluffy's funny.
Hey, what about that African dude?
Oh, my God.
I'm scared of him.
He might be the one.
He might be the one.
Like, of all the dudes.
He is so big.
You know what I'm talking about?
Buccecha.
Buccecha, man.
He looked bad.
Horrible cardio.
That's weird.
That guy looked good.
No, I think they're going to re-sign him.
I think it's just a matter of, like, just, like, not having so many guys on a roster to have that burden to keep fighting him.
Yeah, but I think they're going to re-sign him, though.
Well, you know what it's like?
When they have so many guys on a roster, they have to promise them certain amount of fights.
Yeah, so they don't have to promise him fights.
Is this for sure?
I'm just speculating.
That's why they didn't.
They got to pay him if they don't.
Yeah, because they have to pay him anyway if they don't get him a certain amount of fights.
And you're like, what?
I think what they'll do is when they need him again, they'll just get him back.
And I thought he was going to be better, you know, because he's training.
There is something to that.
Because he's more relatable.
He got this mullet and shit.
Hammer.
You look like garbage.
Yeah, it was bad.
Yeah, I used to train with Amari back at old school top team back in the day.
It was a catch weight?
Murillo was a jiu-jitsu guy that had some stand-up and had some wrestling.
He took Lin-Lin down.
Couldn't doubt Carlson's teaching.
Like, a lot of savages came out of that camp.
A lot of them.
Well, that's where I got my black belt from, from Laborio, from that camp.
Yeah, well, I mean, Laborio was awesome.
He was a good dude.
Where's he been?
He's in Orlando.
He's got a school in Orlando.
Oh, he's still got a school.
No, no MMA stuff.
Because I used to see him in the corners.
Once he rolled out of Top Team.
Nice guy.
He left before I did.
Really?
Yeah, so...
I mean, in fact, when he left, that's when they really hired me to kind of take his place.
Oh, that makes sense.
He's fighting Abus Magomedov.
He's a sensitive guy.
I think it freaked him out a little bit that Kelvin was still there.
He's like, yo, I didn't hit this dude with everything.
This dude's still here.
Dean Thomas Fight Court, the new podcast.
Oh, you got a new one?
Yeah, Canada to them.
What would the charge be for posting something?
Well, that's different.
For making a post.
Thought he was signing up to be a park ranger.
And he's out there.
Yeah, how were they building that shit?
I don't know, man.
A thousand years ago, 500 years ago.
I've always give Christopher Columbus credit for that shit on a fucking wooden boat in the middle.
I can't even fucking find directions to get to the fucking apex half the time.
Just imagine that shit.
No, I'm just saying, like, think about where we are now.
Like, those dudes, they was hard, right?
Regardless, they was hard.
Now we in TikTok culture.
They not hard like that.
Fantastic Four.
What year was that?
Oh, yeah, Fantastic Four.
Hold on, who played Silver Surfer in this?
He looked the part, though.
Like, not letting go of our childhood.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That shit was strong as hell.
I feel high already.
That's good for you, dude.
Yeah, me too.
I got lucky.
I can't stand anybody.
And they say in Italy and here, I mean, Japan, like they're all having a negative population over the years, like they're not having enough kids to sustain the population.
I didn't even know that was a thing.
Next year.
I'm still in my 40s, man.
I mean, are you on TRT yet?
Yeah, I got a little bit.
Oh, now.
More plates, more dates.
He's phenomenal.
He wasn't around in the 80s and 90s.
Yeah, you're perfect.
Because they're supposed to get you a...
I only had to do the blood twice.
You do it every six weeks?
No, you mean you're getting a blood test.
I was thinking about that shit.
Are people still dying from COVID?
That's what I'm saying.
And then they find out the ventilators were killing people.
A lot of money.
A load of money.
How do you know?
That was bad.
Another dude with a gas tank.
Did you see that?
Like, he didn't have to do that, man.
Those guys got a... Him and Chris Curtis, man, they just... Man, you can't fuck with them.
Because they will not back down.
You just can't fuck with them.
Man, those guys.
He walks that fucking walk.
Stop lying.
You wanted to hit him.
You know, fuck that bro-mate.
It's so good.
Yeah, I went down there.
Dan Severn was down there.
Dan the Beast.
Yeah, Dan the Beast.
He was in a fucking wheelchair getting rolled around.
He's in a wheelchair now?
No, just for that trip because he was getting stem cells.
Treatments?
Got the breaker?
Yeah, you got my, at home, my Muay Thai coach at home, Vince Mosky, runs our Thai program.
He goes, yeah, tell Rogan thanks.
I tried them fucking zins and now I'm addicted to them, you know?
But I'm still on that alpha brain, so that's all the... That's legit.
We got gummies now, too, man.
We both think that DDP can pull this out and win it.
He could definitely win it.
My mindset, and look, we all know Kamzat's a savage.
He could win it, too.
For sure.
Oh, yeah, 100%.
He started to, yes.
In the third round, it was like, Clayton was all Usman, I thought.
He must have got a lot of power.
When he gets on top of somebody, man, you definitely don't see guys getting them off of you.
To get him warmed up.
Just crushed him.
Gilbert, his guard.
Kept him out of it.
You got to have a decent guard.
Because he don't like it.
I saw John Wood the other day.
They think they're just going to run through Corey.
He had him doing the gold.
He had him doing the gold.
This guy was a boxer.
That's what I always say.
Just like a bad marriage.
Just like a bad marriage.
But he found his way.
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I go, look.
You know who that guy is?
He does look like him.
He looks exactly like him.
The techno Viking.
At least some of them.
Fucking looks like it.
He hits hard.
I thought Chaos was going to clip him.
Is that what he's looking for right now?
Well, he'll fight anybody.
Michael Morales is the real dark horse of that division.
He's strong as fuck.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw it.
It's got to be.
I don't know.
I did hear him saying he's up in the fight night.
Yeah, the bonuses.
I did see that.
But did anybody see this comment?
No one saw this comment.
No one saw this comment.
Step up?
Well, I mean, it's 7.7.
Like, they probably was like, nah, we're good.
Their app was shit anyway.
This whole card.
I'm excited about it.
This card is a very good card.
No joke.
I don't know.
Who you got on this?
Good footwork.
The footwork.
Yeah, it's going to be tough for Pico.
Diego Lopez.
Yeah, and I thought he would have gave Ilya a problem.
Yeah, like if Ilya stayed down and he fought John Silva, I thought that was going to be a problem for Ilya.
They folded him.
He didn't look bad on the floor either.
Celebrated the night before.
Yeah, I think as we move forward and evolve, man, I think that's the direction it's going.
Think about boxing.
Yeah, for sure.
Could you imagine Floyd Mayweather in class with everybody else?
Yeah, I like it.
Yeah, I'm leaning, bud.
Oh, yeah.
Embarrassed him.
Yeah, Terrence Emney rented out the Apex.
For a while.
I was training there.
He was using the Apex?
Yeah, yeah.
Why was he using the Apex?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'd see him at that.
30 people, you know what I'm saying.
30 people.
Half of them in suits.
But so, I mean, it gets a little tricky, but I mean, the goal is to create a league to where boxers can go and then like losses won't mean as much.
That's a good fight.
But to me, it sounds like a good thing.
Well, no.
I'm just saying, like, the idea of, like, a league for boxers to where there's a promotion that will do stuff like that for them.
Because boxing's not doing it for them.
Exactly.
Well, you got to think there's got to be so much if they're paying these guys $100 million to box.
Yeah, to box.
Not even do nothing like...
World changing.
I'm a huge fan.
He's like 6'4".
I'm a huge fan.
Who, Ruzaboyev?
Yeah, remember?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But he hits hard.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, he trains in Philly.
Damian Maia in Brazil.
Less classy, though.
Way less classy.
Oh, yeah.
It saved his life.
It saved his career.
Did Sinead O'Connor.
I don't think she came.
Did the walkout song for that one.
But no, he was something else.
His Chad Mendes fight.
Oh, my God.
Like how much shit he was talking to him, but just still in it.
Like even he got rocked.
He goes down.
He still comes up and still knocks him out.
Eddie Alvarez fight.
New York Masterclass.
I'm telling you, man.
I didn't notice its place at the end.
Give this kid so much credit.
Nobody does this.
People, they can't do this.
Maybe they won't get that far.
He was different.
The leg kicks?
And he's still doing it at a high level.
You know what I'm saying?
But in his head, he's like, I'm not doing it at the level I want to be able to do it, so I'm just going to retire.
I know, I know.
He's a straight-up killer.
It is crazy, though.
Like, nobody cared about Mighty Mouse, and that guy was maybe the top martial artist in the league.
Oh, that takedown to arm lock that time.
They just have this bias.
I mean, it was like our shit.
We were lightweights, and they cut our division after that little tournament.
And who would have thought that the lightweights would be the best division in the UFC?
They are.
Look at it now.
Just the idea of being a flyweight just has people spooked out to root for him.
He's getting a lot of love.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, but flyweights are worse division.
No, they're not.
It's got to be pretty low.
I don't know.
Maybe there's more pay-per-view buys these days.
I would think it may have been when Pantoja did it in Brazil because they probably had a lot of Brazilians on the card.
It's pretty low.
I mean, look, Tyson was a fantastic boxer, too.
They need to make that happen.
And they don't do it.
Are they doing it?
Are they doing it?
You're right.
And they don't do it.
I mean, that's one of the problems with the sport.
That's what I was about to say.
It happens all the time.
In fact, I don't think it happens, or it's going to be too late.
Still rolling.
It's like you said in the beginning, 40 years old, always have these ailments.
Always hurt.
The back shit's the worst.
How do you fight that motherfucker with a bad back?
Well, shit, you saw the rematch.
I actually went to Joe Beef with Vitor Belfer and Sean Brady.
Yeah, I remember he had surgery and like a week later.
Bob Sapp lying on him.
Beat him twice.
Beat him twice.
Two times.
Yeah, that'll always baffle me how Bob Sapp beat that guy.
Oh, remember?
I was there for that.
Remember that, man?
His ankle just popped out.
And that will forever be known as the Crow Cop.
Whenever you see that happen, you always think back to when it happened.
That was in London.
There's no one after that.
Vince Phillips.