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Well, yeah.

I mean, a million people died.

So there's a strong argument that that's worse than other things.

But there is something about... Look, first of all, there is something about framing the sitting U.S.

president that truly is a crime against the republic in a profound sense.

But the other thing about Russiagate, which I think makes it, you know, where you could maybe enter into the debate...

And then covid, you know, you can argue with all these things.

That's quite as bad as the war in Iraq.

I don't know.

Really destroyed a lot of people's lives.

But the part of the reason why they framed Donald Trump.

So in 2016, Donald Trump was explicitly running on.

He talked about this is like all the debates and in the beautiful.

kind of childlike Trumpian way where he just has no filter.

So he just says the thing that's in his mind.

And then he often thinks he's like a genius because no one else has said this out loud.

But it's not that they haven't thought of it.

It's just that they're all corrupt.

But he just said, because at the time the war in Syria was going on and Donald Trump would just say,

Why are we in Russia on opposite sides in the war in Syria?