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You can't talk to everybody.

But that part of it was kind of beautiful.

And then of course governments do what they do and immediately manipulated that into launching wars that they wanted from before 9-11

That had absolutely nothing to do with 9-11.

Yeah.

Which is, you know.

Well, this is the thing.

And I guess maybe it's partly like my age because I was 18 at the time.

And this is like my coming of age, you know, time.

But I will never stop being furious about all of that shit and this is like still to this day I'm sure you you see it when I'm on podcast with you and doing debates and stuff But I'm so angry over the war in Iraq and the subsequent wars and you know Libya and Syria and Somalia and Yemen and all of them but specifically because

Like, all these guys, the neoconservatives, the N-word that I'm not supposed to bring up, even though, by the way, Douglas Murray wrote a book called Neoconservatism, why we need it.

But when I say the word neoconservative, be careful what you're watering here or something like that.

Is that what they say?

Well, Douglas said, when I was on with him, he said, ah, the N-word, when I brought it up, and then said, I'm watering something because I mentioned Wolfowitz.

Well, I mean, I'd say the answer is that those guys got into power.

They really hijacked American foreign policy after 9-11 because they happened to all be in power in the Bush administration.

Then 9-11 happened on their watch.

But if you go back and read the shit they read, and I will never stop talking about this because it's just too goddamn crazy.

But if you read all of these guys, the guys who were in the George W. Bush administration, I mean, like the signatories on the Project for a New American Century, which was their think tank, the PNAC as it's called, were like...

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz and Fife and Richard Pearl and David Wormser and the whole group who took over the government were all... And they wrote explicitly in the Project for a New American Century that they were like, look, okay, the Soviet Union has collapsed.