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But I was really excited because me and Douglas Murray are going to debate this issue.

And I remember when he first goes, he goes, the war had nothing to do with Ukrainian entry into NATO.

And I was like, okay, well, let me just hit you with two points real quick.

Number one, the head of the CIA, during all the years of Joe Biden, when he was the ambassador to Russia, he wrote the yet means yet memo.

He literally said that this was all what it was all about and that Russia didn't want to do this, but they would if we kept pushing Ukrainian entry into NATO.

And we did keep pushing it.

And then I said the other one was Stoltenberg, who is not anymore, but was the head of NATO while this was happening.

And he said that Vladimir Putin sent them in writing a draft treaty that all you have to do is put in writing that you will never bring Ukraine into NATO and I won't invade.

And then he bragged that we said no.

And then he invaded.

But so I said this to Douglas Murray, and I was kind of curious.

I was like, what's his response to this going to be?

What is he going to say back?

Maybe he's got something I've never heard before that I'm going to have to be like, oh, shit, I've got to consider that.

And his response was, a libertarian quoting the CIA, I see.

And you're like, wait, so that's your pivot is to I'm a hypocrite somehow, which isn't even hypocrisy.

Like, yes, I think the CIA should be abolished.

I also think it's relevant when the head of the CIA admits what the war was all about.

I don't see that.

Yeah.