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The men and women who protect us.

The men and women who frame the sitting president.

But so that's kind of the game right there.

And then you had these like conflicts that are going on and not just ultimately what, you know, in Ukraine, right?

The civil war was already going on there.

I mean, the civil war started after 2014.

This was like right in the middle of that civil war.

And so anyway, my point is just to compare it to Iraq.

Who knows how big of a deal was it to poison a U.S.

president who wanted to have detente with Putin at that time?

Like maybe we could have avoided this whole thing and that the death toll – I don't know.

I've seen different reporting on it.

But it's close to Iraq.

I mean it's – I think it's more military and less civilians, which does matter.

Yeah.

Well, that's a good point.

That's a good point, too.

Yeah, that's right.

So, you know, I mean, look, it still changes the moral calculation a little bit when someone puts on a uniform and is holding a gun.

It's a little bit different than a kid or something like that.