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You know, you have the United Nations and things like this.

And you're telling me like there is international law and like the first rule isn't that like if any countries are ever going to go to war, you guys have to get in a room together.

Like before we go to war, we need to know that we've exhausted every alternative option that there is, especially when it's the United States and Russia.

You know what I mean?

And yet it took all this time for the first time for the two leaders of them to sit down and meet.

It's crazy.

But on the positive side, they did just sit down and meet.

That's a lot better than not sitting down and meeting.

Well, there's no question having a president whose default setting was to desire an off-ramp made a huge difference there.

Because if this was a Dick Cheney, George W. Bush type of presidency, they could have found any excuse.

You know what I mean?

Once you get to that point...

They could have found any reason to keep it going.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, that's right.

Well, also, even the like the, you know, where people were like bragging about like the 12 day war, you know, which, again, is not clear that it's over yet.

You don't really get to decide that until years later.

You know, they didn't call it World War One until World War Two came around.

And then you go, oh, that was the first World War.