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Todd and I are fine.

And it's like, we can stop.

She tries to... God, who does she... She reminds me of like a type of person where like they're like expressing something that's a little bit more personal and they're just like nodding and they're kind of trying to like therapize and manipulate you.

And they're like, yeah, it was for my own safety.

Yes, exactly.

She puts on a defense mechanism of a character that I don't know if that's who she actually is.

It feels more like it's a defense mechanism.

I think who this woman is, is...

How do I say this?

I think she is a very aggressive, intense, hit-below-the-belt type of woman.

And she pretends to be... I think she is saying the meanest things that you could imagine about all these women.

I think she's mean to Todd.

I think she's kind of mean...

I think she's I think she's I don't think she's I think she's scared of Todd.

I genuinely think that she I believe it that I think she talks mad shit about the other women.

I think she's scared of Todd.

That's true.

I'm remembering how they acted last season on that trip.

And that was the way that he talks to her.

I think that she's intense to like her daughter and her friends.