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And I was only 21.

And I was, you know, I was just sitting there going, I can't even believe this is real.

And then I got really into it.

Like, I got really into Ice Cube, really into Ice-T.

I'd listen to that when I was delivering newspapers.

It was like gangster rap was like a completely different thing.

So then cut to when people start digging into it.

Like intelligence agencies have had – there's a weird book on intelligence agencies and their role in rock and roll music in the 1960s.

The movie about – the book about Laurel Canyon.

What is it?

Strange Things?

It's very interesting.

I don't know if I buy it.

Eddie Bravo's all in on it.

I don't know if I buy it, but there's a lot of weird connections to the intelligence community and music, particularly hip hop and particularly gangster rap.

And if you want to get really dark, you would say, if you want to fill your private prisons up,

What better way than have very popular music encouraging prisons, excuse me, encouraging crime, encouraging outright celebrating crime and violence.

That way you fill your prisons up and you also keep people scared so you can give them more laws and more rules and crack down and make them easier to placate, easier to get them to fall in line and do what you need them to do.

Do you think they tell Reagan that they're selling crack in the hood?

I don't know.