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No international court has issued a final guilty verdict and determinations hinge on ongoing investigations.

Yeah, I don't know, man.

It sounds like a different answer.

It's very nuanced.

It allows you to form your own opinion based on what many people say, including what Israel says.

So it's not going to give you an answer.

It's essentially saying figure it out.

Which I don't have a problem with that.

I don't have a problem with that at all.

I mean, that's what I would like it to do, especially if there's debate.

Yeah, it's a hoax.

And then what do they do with Gaza?

Like, how long is it going to take before that even looks normal again?

Well, I mean, I don't... Look at the mass of destruction, just the sheer scope of it.

It's so crazy.

If anybody flying over that with a drone and they tell you that's the only way they could have done this, that seems nuts.

Yeah.

And the fact they keep doing it.

It's like, how does this end?

What happens if Israel has publicly said, and Netanyahu talked about it on the podcast, that they're losing the PR, or what do you call it?