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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

The body has evolved a mechanism to create what essentially looks like a lymphoid structure in the middle of the tumor.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

It's sort of a forward camp of immune cells that the more of those you see in a tumor, the better will be your outcome as a patient.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And so we used a cohort of colorectal cell, basically colon cancer patients, where we looked at hundreds of biopsies.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And we did that pseudotime analysis where we looked at

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

for mature tertiary lymphoid structures.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And then we looked for immature, slightly less mature, even more less mature, etc.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And we were able to backtrack to the cell types which need to come together that would then form the more mature.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

It's a nice paper, but it also now tells us what we might do to create more of these in a tumor.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

Because we already know from multiple kinds of tumor types now that the more of these tertiary lymphoid structures you have, the better off will be your outcome with chemotherapy.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So it might be, for instance, that once we know that you have a disease like this, we could give you some kind of therapy, a virus or what have you.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

that goes and homes to the tumor, seeds the beginnings of these initiators with, there's these cytokines that are produced that are necessary for initiating the formation of these objects.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And so there's a huge benefit to that, but we never would have found those, in my lab at least, without the AI.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

Because it basically did the work for us.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So we use, well, we can use pretty much any of the LLMs, but right now we find that OpenAI is the best.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And then we create an agentic overlay.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

Basically, what's called, you probably know, chain of thought, which is a series of questions.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So how we taught it was we basically came up, here's a hundred kinds of questions a scientist would ask about the immune system.