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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

They're called major histocompatibility complex proteins.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So for instance, if I were to try to just randomly do a tissue transplant from me to you,

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

it's very likely that it would be rejected.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And it's because of those MHC proteins that it's rejected.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

What's happening is that your cells are presenting your internal cell biology to the immune system, and it's saying, okay, you're a friend, not a foe.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So when cancer usually initiates, there are disruptions that happen and proteins are made incorrectly, et cetera.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And so what these MHC proteins are doing in some cases is they're presenting the internal damage to the body and the body is saying, oh, there's something wrong with this cell.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

We better wipe it out.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

These same proteins are what the immune system uses, for instance, to go after viruses.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So when you get a virus infection inside of the cell, the body has a way of chopping those proteins up inside of the cell, presenting it via MHC, and then the immune system attacks it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So one of the first things that actually tumors do is they learn to turn off the MHC proteins inside of themselves.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

So the ability to show that I'm damaged is shut down.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And so the immune system doesn't go on full alert for that.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

But then there are other mutations like divide when you're not supposed to.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

Avoid this kind of induced cell death called apoptosis and not others.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

And so cancer doesn't just like start and then the next day you've got it.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

It's a progression of events.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

You have these precancerous lesions.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2372 - Garry Nolan

You have like a benign tumor, which eventually becomes a metastatic tumor.