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How many technology revolutions allow these objects to move as we clearly see something motivating itself or maneuvering around the atmosphere?

Right.

So if we could scrape just the tiniest bit of understanding off of the top of that, what would that do to change our own civilization?

I mean, silicon, a grain of sand, makes us who we are today.

Everything that is...

that's around me right here is all run off of silicon.

right?

I mean, compute.

But imagine that there's other inventions, other ways of manipulating reality that we don't appreciate yet because our physics just isn't there yet.

If we can understand that, so the government might say, well, we need to keep this behind closed doors for weaponization or we don't want to disrupt energy production or what have you.

That's fine.

But maybe there's too much secrecy and that maybe that there's an aspect of that

that could be taken advantage of.

So Carl Nell and I have gotten in positive arguments about this, about that, well, it's not black and white that we keep something secret or we put it into the public domain.

Maybe there's a middle domain where you have a public-private partnership opportunity.

And actually that's now, Carl has now adopted this, at least in part, that maybe companies come to the fore or investment forum places come to the fore

where they will put money in as options to fund, let's say, public scientists to come in behind the scenes with the right levels of clearances to study stuff that would propel society forward again.

But this is assuming two things.

Yeah.

I mean, that's fair.