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And there's some chains of evidence of how it got to either a newspaper in Brazil or to this South American museum, et cetera.

And different studies have been done by different people over time.

The surprise to me was that the piece that I had was silicon, whereas the lore was that it was magnesium.

So I've been in contact with the people who talk about it as being magnesium saying, well, it's, you know, your results don't dispute mine.

It just says that maybe there was something different.

Is that him there?

Trevor Burrus, Jr.

: That's good.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.

: That's cool.

So I don't know what it means.

I mean I published probably one of the first peer review papers on a UAP material from an event in Council Bluffs, Iowa.

And the event was an object is seen rotating, lights flashing, et cetera.

Something appears to drop from the object.

The police saw it.

Several other groups saw it in the 1970s.

They all converged on the locale.

And this was like in February or something.

It was winter.

And there was this big pile of molten metal in the middle of this field.