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They're pseudists that use these one-offnesses of these events to disparage the entire idea of it.

It sounds ridiculous.

Well, of course it sounds ridiculous because you're talking about

A fucking spaceship that zaps people.

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

And I don't think that even he would propose, Travis, that he was purposefully hurt.

Right.

I mean, if you walk across an airfield and get in the plume of a jet engine ...

you're going to get hurt.

Right.

Right, right.

So when people say that there's no evidence or where's the evidence, my first question to them is, well, have you read any books about any of this?

Have you spent even a moment looking into it?

And I would point them at books like by Robert Powell and Michael Sorge, UFOs and Government, which is not a proposal that any of this is real.

It's just the story of these events over decades.

And so there's books like that, dozens of them, that tell the story of data and evidence.

How you contextualize it is, you know, up to your personal biases, let's say.

But there's plenty of evidence.

But if people haven't looked into it, if they have an opinion about it and they haven't looked into it, they're more like priests than they are scientists.

And I don't believe in anything.