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And this predates that by a decade.

This predates it.

So it's unusual.

It's possible.

But, I mean, again, with any of these things, why, for instance, would one of the supposed pieces that came from that event be magnesium at a level of purity that only Dow Chemical at the time had the ability to create?

A fisherman sees this glowing object that kind of released something which then exploded, and he picked up pieces of it.

And there's some chains of evidence of how it got to either a newspaper in Brazil or to this South American museum, et cetera.

And different studies have been done by different people over time.

The surprise to me was that the piece that I had was silicon, whereas the lore was that it was magnesium.

So I've been in contact with the people who talk about it as being magnesium saying, well, it's, you know, your results don't dispute mine.

It just says that maybe there was something different.

Is that him there?

Trevor Burrus, Jr.

: That's good.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.

: That's cool.

So I don't know what it means.

I mean I published probably one of the first peer review papers on a UAP material from an event in Council Bluffs, Iowa.

And the event was an object is seen rotating, lights flashing, et cetera.

Something appears to drop from the object.