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But here's the problem is that because there's so much circus around them, unfortunately created by people who want a circus because it sells their TV shows, no scientist of any merit would go near it.

So I was approached many times, many times to study them.

And I said, I'll do it on one condition.

Here's the money I need, not personally, but here's the money I need to do the kinds of analysis to accomplish this right.

Second, there will be no TV cameras.

And you won't hear from me again until I'm ready to talk.

Because I'll have double-checked and triple-checked and quadruple-checked the results.

And then I've gone out, as I do with the Otakama Mummy, bringing in further contiguous circles of experts to double-check me.

And not make it a circus.

Because I won't name the TV show that wanted to do it.

But they wanted me, they wanted to follow me around with a camera.

And I'm like, no, this isn't how science is done.

I can't do it with those strictures.

So I would say that if anybody's going to do it again, lock the things away with South American scientists.

You don't need a North American scientist to come in and do it.

There's plenty of smart people in South America who can do this properly.

And respect the rights of the indigenous peoples who own the sacred grounds within which these things were found.

I think that's important.

And then do the analysis right.

You know, they've said they made, I think, the mistake of saying, well, we've done the DNA and there's a lot of DNA that doesn't match.