SPEAKER_04

No.

But unlikely.

Well... And it's usually the chain of evidence.

There's lots of materials that you might find that are unusual.

And believe me, I get rocks sent to me at my lab in the mail that people say, oh, this is unusual.

No, it's a rock.

Sorry.

It's a rock.

But, you know...

I have not yet been given anything which I could definitively say this is not something a human might have been able to make.

It might be difficult but not impossible yet.

And so that's because the level of resolution required to claim something is impossible is something we actually don't even have yet.

So my whole career has been inventing instruments that were, I felt, inevitable, but not yet possible.

But I could see a path to making them.

And so I said to most people, get out of my way.

I'm going to do this.

Because I know once I've got it, it will become valuable to everybody, which is, that's what made my career in immunology, making a succession of instruments like that.

and then making them available to the community.

So I think the next level is atomic, because we now know, you can pick up and look at any of the major physics journals today, everything is all about these weird exotic particles that exist in metamaterials down at the atomic level with...

vague and strange capabilities that will change their utility, either as superconductors, room temperature, or different kinds of electronic components that might be better, quantum computer circuits and qubits.