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China is governed by engineers.

Hmm.

Their Politburo is almost entirely engineers and scientists.

Yeah.

There's a little article in The Atlantic recently about that.

Yeah.

So people who are making these decisions, we have lawyers looking for all the reasons why something should or shouldn't be done on the liabilities.

They're looking at things as to what's possible.

Well, both the council bluffs and the Ubatuba event are interesting to me.

Because of the physical material itself.

I mean, I'm, at the end of the day, a physicalist.

You know, I mean, I don't like all the anecdotes.

I mean, a thousand anecdotes make a good story, good campfire.

I mean, I think there's statistical value in people seeing the same thing again and again.

And there's a truth to it.

And I can believe anything I want to around that and many of the statements that I'm purported to have said are around my beliefs as opposed to when I put on my scientist hat and I try to convince another scientist.

I can only provide this data and this evidence, and I don't have yet these materials.

Now, maybe they exist, and maybe people like David Grush will be able to pry them out of the clammy hands of those who want to keep it where it is.

But give me one piece of that evidence.

And I will do wonders with it.