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And this gives him a world-changing idea for his new dating app, Tinder, which is that users should also be able to swipe.

Tinder could show you a person's face, a little bit of bio, and within seconds, you could swipe yay or nay, left or right.

And people loved it.

Other apps copied it, and in the years that followed, swiping changed how we date.

But fast forward more than a decade to our current moment, and daters have turned on Jonathan's brilliant invention, and they are demanding something different.

Today, I talk with my colleagues, dating columnist Gina Sherilis, daily producer Luke van der Ploeg, and writer-at-large Amanda Hess about dating in the post-Swipe era.

It's Sunday, February 22nd.

Gina Sherlis, welcome to the Sunday Daily.

Thanks for having me.

Gina, so you are the dating columnist at The New York Times.

What does that mean?

Wait, are you the third wheel in the name of this column?

Okay, so you picked it up.

And I imagine all of that requires you to write a lot about dating apps.

Definitely.

You know, it's so interesting that you mentioned the loneliness epidemic, because I feel like when you hear about people being lonely, you hear that oftentimes hand in hand as a complaint with the state of online dating and the idea of the swipe, like that we have boiled down the grand alchemy of human emotion and falling in love to like a few seconds on somebody's profile and saying yes or no about whether this person could be your future partner or not.

Right, because the apps, of course, are businesses, and therefore they are not necessarily incentivized to get you to stop using them, a.k.a.

by finding you love.

And I sort of wonder how you are seeing that frustration manifest and sort of what people are doing in response to it.

One thing, though, I bet a bunch of people who are listening might be having this thought of people are still going to bars.