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will point to something like Michael Jordan.

When I have said, and I have not accused LeBron James of performance enhancing drugs, but he's an unprecedented human body.

And when faced with things I've never seen before in sports ever,

I don't just shrug my shoulders and assume that people aren't using.

Like, who would shock you?

Let me do it another way.

Is there anyone who would shock you?

Because if right now, hypothetically, and I'm not saying this, but if right now, hypothetically, I said, hey, Shohei Ohtani.

You then go back and do like, well, wait a minute.

Like, of course, it's an unprecedented human body doing unprecedented human things.

How surprised am I allowed to be?

I'm saying that if we've arrived at a place of cynicism where Mike's shrugging his shoulder, yeah, Paul George, not surprising, nothing surprising, there's nothing surprising about an athlete cheating.

Who's surprising?

Are we doing this just physically?

Is there someone who's great who could surprise you or would surprise you?

Is there anything out there that would be something that the audience would say, I can't believe it?

The optics of what I thought a person was have been shattered for me.

Forever changed.

It's not the same way as it was before.

That person who I thought was pure is now a cheater.