Spencer Henry

When I kept thinking of other – like infamous crimes of that time, like the Wineville chicken coop murders and all of these Los Angeles crimes that happened, I mean, not the same year, but like within that time realm. And it's just, I don't know, it's so fascinating to see how everything was handled in those days in comparison to now.

When I kept thinking of other – like infamous crimes of that time, like the Wineville chicken coop murders and all of these Los Angeles crimes that happened, I mean, not the same year, but like within that time realm. And it's just, I don't know, it's so fascinating to see how everything was handled in those days in comparison to now.

And it's, there's a lot of things that you look back and you're like, why would they do that? Why wouldn't they do this? But a lot of what they were doing is still happening.

And it's, there's a lot of things that you look back and you're like, why would they do that? Why wouldn't they do this? But a lot of what they were doing is still happening.

When it makes you wonder, too, certain crimes that happened today, you're like, how'd they not figure that out? Everyone has a fucking camera on their house.

When it makes you wonder, too, certain crimes that happened today, you're like, how'd they not figure that out? Everyone has a fucking camera on their house.

Yeah, you want to talk about... feet on the boots on the ground. Yes. Let's talk about Catherine Wanabaker because let's talk about her.

Yeah, you want to talk about... feet on the boots on the ground. Yes. Let's talk about Catherine Wanabaker because let's talk about her.

It's so complicated because even now there's – I mean, it's a lot easier to divorce somebody now, but it's still like this personal battle that I think a lot of people have where there's so much back and forth. So I can't imagine doing that and on top of that having to have like a good reason in the eyes of the court or the law in order to go through with it.

It's so complicated because even now there's – I mean, it's a lot easier to divorce somebody now, but it's still like this personal battle that I think a lot of people have where there's so much back and forth. So I can't imagine doing that and on top of that having to have like a good reason in the eyes of the court or the law in order to go through with it.

You can tell Kat – is having that personal grapple because even when she knows how terrible he is and she's working with a private investigator, when Walter calls her and talks about wanting to knock her up, she's like, well, maybe I should call this whole thing off.

You can tell Kat – is having that personal grapple because even when she knows how terrible he is and she's working with a private investigator, when Walter calls her and talks about wanting to knock her up, she's like, well, maybe I should call this whole thing off.

But it shows that she still was kind of battling with thoughts of whether or not she should just kind of

But it shows that she still was kind of battling with thoughts of whether or not she should just kind of

They're vulnerable. They're susceptible. They're kind of like backed into a corner again by societal norms and societal pressure. But yeah, absolutely. 100%.

They're vulnerable. They're susceptible. They're kind of like backed into a corner again by societal norms and societal pressure. But yeah, absolutely. 100%.

A hundred percent. She like followed her intuition. Yeah. And I mean, it's the ultimate like going through his phone behavior. And it like leads you down this crazy rabbit hole where you're like, oh, okay, this is much deeper than I thought.

A hundred percent. She like followed her intuition. Yeah. And I mean, it's the ultimate like going through his phone behavior. And it like leads you down this crazy rabbit hole where you're like, oh, okay, this is much deeper than I thought.

Listen, she is a victim in this situation. But there were several red flags, especially when you're listening to her narrative in the title. I mean, well, first of all, I was laughing in the beginning because she's talking about meeting Walter for the first time. And she's talking about how he kind of catfished her. And she says, no one would accuse him of being handsome, which is diabolical.

Listen, she is a victim in this situation. But there were several red flags, especially when you're listening to her narrative in the title. I mean, well, first of all, I was laughing in the beginning because she's talking about meeting Walter for the first time. And she's talking about how he kind of catfished her. And she says, no one would accuse him of being handsome, which is diabolical.

That is a read. That is a read. That is the biggest read. Also, in the book, she's talking about, like, you know, how they got married after four weeks. And she's like, I couldn't think of a reason I shouldn't. And I'm like, girl, I can. I can think of that.

That is a read. That is a read. That is the biggest read. Also, in the book, she's talking about, like, you know, how they got married after four weeks. And she's like, I couldn't think of a reason I shouldn't. And I'm like, girl, I can. I can think of that.

I mean, who knows what was going on with Walter otherwise. Who knows? Looks-wise.

I mean, who knows what was going on with Walter otherwise. Who knows? Looks-wise.

And she said, too, when he moved in, he moved in with little possessions. And that is also the goal.

And she said, too, when he moved in, he moved in with little possessions. And that is also the goal.

Yeah. We don't need.

Yeah. We don't need.

Your collections here. Okay. Yeah.

Your collections here. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A damsel in distress. Like, please help me. I don't know what to do. She's like, here's what to do. Yeah.

A damsel in distress. Like, please help me. I don't know what to do. She's like, here's what to do. Yeah.

I mean, I'm a real sucker for any sort of library scene or imagery in a book. Yes, me too. They're talking about like going through the records and she's in the library. I mean, I get chills thinking about it right now, but when she was going through all the different Lonely Heart ads and this under different names, but the same- Comparing them all.

I mean, I'm a real sucker for any sort of library scene or imagery in a book. Yes, me too. They're talking about like going through the records and she's in the library. I mean, I get chills thinking about it right now, but when she was going through all the different Lonely Heart ads and this under different names, but the same- Comparing them all.

Yeah, comparing them all and seeing that it was clearly all written by Wilter. I just had a moment where I was like,

Yeah, comparing them all and seeing that it was clearly all written by Wilter. I just had a moment where I was like,

You women. You're hysterical.

You women. You're hysterical.

because this needed to be a partnership she had so much of the information that they needed yes a hundred percent and i think going back to like when she cracked the code i think it was just like i i loved that she figured it out on her own like she didn't have anybody else really helping her nope other than the hillary the librarian who i love queen hillary becoming friends and at the end of the book

because this needed to be a partnership she had so much of the information that they needed yes a hundred percent and i think going back to like when she cracked the code i think it was just like i i loved that she figured it out on her own like she didn't have anybody else really helping her nope other than the hillary the librarian who i love queen hillary becoming friends and at the end of the book

she walks into the courtroom and she sees Hillary from the library there. And Hillary's like, I'm here for you. I was like,

she walks into the courtroom and she sees Hillary from the library there. And Hillary's like, I'm here for you. I was like,

Okay. So obviously I live in Southern California. I live in Los Angeles and I used to live in Signal Hill, which is a small unincorporated area where the body of Nina Lee Deloney was found.

Okay. So obviously I live in Southern California. I live in Los Angeles and I used to live in Signal Hill, which is a small unincorporated area where the body of Nina Lee Deloney was found.

I was like going through newspaper archives, trying to do my own little sleuthing to see if I could figure out where in relation it was to where I used to live. But I was just finding like old press photos that didn't have any exact addresses. But I was like, damn.

I was like going through newspaper archives, trying to do my own little sleuthing to see if I could figure out where in relation it was to where I used to live. But I was just finding like old press photos that didn't have any exact addresses. But I was like, damn.

Well, they just get publicized more, I feel like.

Well, they just get publicized more, I feel like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh-huh. 100%.

Uh-huh. 100%.

Hi, everyone. I'm so excited to be here.

Hi, everyone. I'm so excited to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

There's a lot of... reasons as we go into this title today, why it resonated with me, and I just loved it so much.

There's a lot of... reasons as we go into this title today, why it resonated with me, and I just loved it so much.

I think the guy's annoying, but one that I love is, well, I've been, I'm like halfway through it right now, but it's the crime of the century, Richard Speck and the murders that shocked a nation.

I think the guy's annoying, but one that I love is, well, I've been, I'm like halfway through it right now, but it's the crime of the century, Richard Speck and the murders that shocked a nation.

Dennis Albreo and William J. Martin.

Dennis Albreo and William J. Martin.

Bye.

Bye.

No, that's a lot to keep up with.

No, that's a lot to keep up with.

Exactly. Well, I think he just was really good at probably compartmentalizing all of it.

Exactly. Well, I think he just was really good at probably compartmentalizing all of it.

Just kind of like dissociating from all of it. Yeah.

Just kind of like dissociating from all of it. Yeah.

Oh, I listened.

Oh, I listened.

But yeah, I think a lot of times it's like survival tactic is learning how to compartmentalize all those separate areas of your life and kind of dissociate from them a little bit. And that's probably how he was able to do that and not have these really strong emotional ties to any of it.

But yeah, I think a lot of times it's like survival tactic is learning how to compartmentalize all those separate areas of your life and kind of dissociate from them a little bit. And that's probably how he was able to do that and not have these really strong emotional ties to any of it.

Go to therapy. Exactly. Walter. Go to therapy, get a gratitude journal.

Go to therapy. Exactly. Walter. Go to therapy, get a gratitude journal.

Do some self-work.

Do some self-work.

A good duo.

A good duo.

That makes so much sense if you listen to the title that it was laid out that way, because my favorite thing about it was just listening to it. You can fully have visuals on everything that's happening at the time. They did such a good job with translating that.

That makes so much sense if you listen to the title that it was laid out that way, because my favorite thing about it was just listening to it. You can fully have visuals on everything that's happening at the time. They did such a good job with translating that.

No, I truly, all of it, I was obsessed listening to it the whole time. I felt like I was in an old detective novel.

No, I truly, all of it, I was obsessed listening to it the whole time. I felt like I was in an old detective novel.

I'm like, give me a cigarette, babe. Yes. And let me just unravel this. Let's solve the crime.

I'm like, give me a cigarette, babe. Yes. And let me just unravel this. Let's solve the crime.

Yes. Imagine finding that.

Yes. Imagine finding that.

We gotta get Jim on the horn.

We gotta get Jim on the horn.

Show me your book, Jim.

Show me your book, Jim.

Wow. Isn't that cool? It is cool.

Wow. Isn't that cool? It is cool.

Wow. That's incredible.

Wow. That's incredible.

Exactly. Totally.

Exactly. Totally.