Stacey Abrams

And you wrote this piece about my style choices for The Washington Post, a piece that really just meant the world to me.

And if you remember that article and just as you think about your observations during those two election cycles for Secretary Clinton and for Vice President Harris, I'd love for you to ruminate about why the fashion standards are so different for women in politics as compared to men.

But also as a personal revelation, like what prompted you to write about my approach?

And just, I would love for you to spend a little bit of time talking and thinking about that because there is this conversation now about what women are permitted to have, what they're permitted to reach for.

And fashion is often the first line of critique when evaluating capacity.

So Robin, you recently put out a book called Make It Ours, Crashing the Gates of Culture with Virgil Abloh.

Virgil Abloh was this groundbreaking fashion designer and cultural icon who really remixed, who gets to decide taste in the high-end world of fashion.

And you have spent your career taking fashion into places that people don't expect to see it.

You did this wonderful piece on reclaiming the flag successfully.

that documentary about the LGBTQIA community that really centered around the meaning of the flag for marginalized communities.

And you spend such thoughtful time helping us articulate what we see in ourselves when we dress and how we understand the messages being sent to us.

So my last question for you is the homework assignment I give to every guest, which is that you've got an audience listening to you.

And they want ways to make it theirs.

They want to reclaim this country.

They feel the exhaustion you described.

They feel the confusion that you evoked.

but they also want to know how do we make it ours again and the role that fashion can play.

So if you can tell this audience something you want them to do on these steps to freedom and power, if they want to disrupt, if they want to deny, if they simply want to claim, what should they do?

Robin Givhan, writer, reporter, and remarkable fashion interpreter.

Thank you so much for joining us today on Assembly Required.