Stacey Abrams

Given what you've just described and given how we are watching this assault on the Black community, on immigrants, especially immigrants of Hispanic descent, how have and how should we understand disruption and denial of authority to those who would try to take it from us in this current moment?

So Hillary Clinton faced relentless scrutiny of her wardrobe when she ran for president in 2016.

When Kamala Harris was running for president, she often wore suits in very bold colors, and she cycled through different styles.

When I ran for governor of Georgia in 2018, nobody who looked like me had ever run for that office before, much like me.

Secretary Clinton and Vice President Harris.

And that meant that, personally, I had to be very careful and very thoughtful about my fashion choices.

And you wrote this piece about my style choices for The Washington Post, a piece that really just meant the world to me.

And if you remember that article and just as you think about your observations during those two election cycles for Secretary Clinton and for Vice President Harris, I'd love for you to ruminate about why the fashion standards are so different for women in politics as compared to men.

But also as a personal revelation, like what prompted you to write about my approach?

And just, I would love for you to spend a little bit of time talking and thinking about that because there is this conversation now about what women are permitted to have, what they're permitted to reach for.

And fashion is often the first line of critique when evaluating capacity.

So Robin, you recently put out a book called Make It Ours, Crashing the Gates of Culture with Virgil Abloh.

Virgil Abloh was this groundbreaking fashion designer and cultural icon who really remixed, who gets to decide taste in the high-end world of fashion.

And you have spent your career taking fashion into places that people don't expect to see it.

You did this wonderful piece on reclaiming the flag successfully.

that documentary about the LGBTQIA community that really centered around the meaning of the flag for marginalized communities.

And you spend such thoughtful time helping us articulate what we see in ourselves when we dress and how we understand the messages being sent to us.

So my last question for you is the homework assignment I give to every guest, which is that you've got an audience listening to you.

And they want ways to make it theirs.

They want to reclaim this country.