Stacey Abrams

We know it when we see it.

Those of us who are pro-democracy may one day need to also show who we are.

What we wear might matter.

So today I'm joined by the legendary fashion editor and Pulitzer Prize winning writer, Robin Givhan.

She'll talk to us about how fashion reflects our culture back at us and what that culture tells us about the political moment we're in and what's coming next.

The incredible Robin Givhan joins us now.

Welcome to Assembly Required.

Thank you so much for having me.

Okay, Robin, you are a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer.

You're an exceptionally accomplished fashion editor.

You are a trendsetter with the way you describe the world we see.

You've carved out what feels like your own unique arena.

You've written about the intersections of politics and fashion.

You've investigated and interrogated what we're seeing and what we're not.

I would love to know what first drew you to explore this topic.

So, Robin, one thing you just said sparks a conversation that I've been having since

both through articles, but also just in my political journey, which is a conversation of identity.

And this, I would say this misapprehension that we have that identity isn't a useful tool, that it doesn't or shouldn't exist in discourse.

And you just described how fashion helped you think about identity.

Can you talk about your reaction to the conversation about whether identity should be a part of how we think of