Stacey Whitaker

Yes.

Yeah.

So all three of them were in different locations.

So we had to split up.

And so, yes, Maclaus had unexpectedly left town.

They thought that he would be, I believe he was living in Brasov, also where Niculescu was living.

And so they expected him to be there, but he had left town like the day before and had gone to visit his grandmother in a completely different city in Romania.

And so they had to figure out where he was.

and do surveillance on him, and then they stopped him in his vehicle on his way back to Brasov.

It was very different.

They have a different process than we do.

So I think we found it very interesting to watch the Romanian National Police and see how they do things, how they collect evidence versus the way that we do it.

And then because we were there, the nice thing was we were then able to, a couple of days later, take all of the evidence with us and take it back to the United States with us.

Because it might not be necessarily clear to other people that when we're indicting this group, we can't just say, this is the group and they did all these things.

We need to be able to say, this person is master fraud and this person is a mighty SA.

And this is the roles that each individual played within the group.

And so for a long time, yeah, we knew who the three people were that were running everything.

but we could not say which one was which as far as their criminal moniker was concerned.

And so it wasn't until we got Danette's phone and then we were able to, Ryan was able to connect his login activity with his vacation time that we were finally able to say this person is this person and this person is this person.

So again, they didn't know that we didn't have enough evidence to include them.