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How we allow society to dictate what is right, good, and normal. Interesting perspective on that. Matthew, I know you have a story that you said you'd be willing to share with our listening audience and our podcast today too.

You know, I think what I'd like to do is kind of do a little bit of a round robin here and maybe some insights that each one of us has experienced. So let's start out with Barry. Barry, do you have any thoughts on this from, you know, you obviously were a practicing physician and so Just in general, your thoughts about stereotyping and labeling.

You know, I think what I'd like to do is kind of do a little bit of a round robin here and maybe some insights that each one of us has experienced. So let's start out with Barry. Barry, do you have any thoughts on this from, you know, you obviously were a practicing physician and so Just in general, your thoughts about stereotyping and labeling.

So, Barry, I got to ask you something, and I'm sure you can reflect on this. When you took the, you know, the Hippocratic Oath, okay, and, you know, what went through your mind? It's just like, I don't care. It doesn't go through your mind as a new physician. It doesn't matter who you are. As far as I'm concerned, You are a human being.

So, Barry, I got to ask you something, and I'm sure you can reflect on this. When you took the, you know, the Hippocratic Oath, okay, and, you know, what went through your mind? It's just like, I don't care. It doesn't go through your mind as a new physician. It doesn't matter who you are. As far as I'm concerned, You are a human being.

And if you are in the need of care, I'm a physician here to assist. Does that go through your mind? Or do you bring some of your own prejudices, your own ideas into it?

And if you are in the need of care, I'm a physician here to assist. Does that go through your mind? Or do you bring some of your own prejudices, your own ideas into it?

That's a great point. You know, Clarence, you know, I know Clarence, um, We've talked about this from time to time with the work that we've done together in the Black community. And we have talked a lot about how that population is at risk for a lot of different things health-wise.

That's a great point. You know, Clarence, you know, I know Clarence, um, We've talked about this from time to time with the work that we've done together in the Black community. And we have talked a lot about how that population is at risk for a lot of different things health-wise.

And I just wonder whether or not the labeling or the stereotype is how it's affecting that population or stories that you've come across.

And I just wonder whether or not the labeling or the stereotype is how it's affecting that population or stories that you've come across.

HIV came to the forefront. And actually I was working very, very closely with Mike Osterholm at the time, and we were training physicians on the whole issue. And it really came to the forefront for me, some of the homosexual nuances, I guess it'd be the best way to put this, insights, uncomfortableness came to the forefront back then. And I'm saying, whoa, wait a minute.

HIV came to the forefront. And actually I was working very, very closely with Mike Osterholm at the time, and we were training physicians on the whole issue. And it really came to the forefront for me, some of the homosexual nuances, I guess it'd be the best way to put this, insights, uncomfortableness came to the forefront back then. And I'm saying, whoa, wait a minute.

And I remember thinking that to a certain extent, the physicians themselves were concerned about their own health. and what was going on at the time. And it really came to the forefront for me, this idea of labels and stereotypes linked at that time with a very, very hard, health issue that we all had to face.

And I remember thinking that to a certain extent, the physicians themselves were concerned about their own health. and what was going on at the time. And it really came to the forefront for me, this idea of labels and stereotypes linked at that time with a very, very hard, health issue that we all had to face.

Going historically back, if you go back to the ancient Chinese, they only gave their health care to those that were in the higher castes So there was an identification that was going on there. There were labels that were going on back then that if you were in the higher caste, you were afforded healthcare. That changed ironically with the ancient Hebrews that they thought that

Going historically back, if you go back to the ancient Chinese, they only gave their health care to those that were in the higher castes So there was an identification that was going on there. There were labels that were going on back then that if you were in the higher caste, you were afforded healthcare. That changed ironically with the ancient Hebrews that they thought that

health was basically for all. And that's where truly health for all and also a public health stance came into effect by virtue of many things that were going on in the environment at the time. The other thing that's bothersome to me is that a lot of the things that we're dealing with health-wise have an unnecessary, in my mind, sexual connection to them.

health was basically for all. And that's where truly health for all and also a public health stance came into effect by virtue of many things that were going on in the environment at the time. The other thing that's bothersome to me is that a lot of the things that we're dealing with health-wise have an unnecessary, in my mind, sexual connection to them.

And I think that for many providers of care, that might, it might, I don't know, it might give a negative component to our delivery of care and public health initiatives. I think what has helped is people are out front, almost really out front in saying, yes, I am lesbian. Yes, I am gay or bisexual or trans or queer.