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We do these shows together. We have a lot of good chats. And we've talked to a lot of great, great people on this show. So thank you, Clarence. It's a pleasure working with you. Also, our sponsor is Human Partnership. You can check them out. It's a great community health organization at humanpartnership.org. And check us out, healthshatterpodcast.com.

You will see all the research for all our shows, including this one. And you can also... put in questions or comments about the shows as you listened to them. So thanks to all of you. So today we have a great guest with us, Dr. Michael Osterholm. Mike and I go back a long way in the field of public health. We've done some great things together. I remember HIV training.

You will see all the research for all our shows, including this one. And you can also... put in questions or comments about the shows as you listened to them. So thanks to all of you. So today we have a great guest with us, Dr. Michael Osterholm. Mike and I go back a long way in the field of public health. We've done some great things together. I remember HIV training.

I remember also SARS and a whole bunch of different things. And Mike has served this community locally and also our country nationally on dealing with a lot of different things in the area of infectious disease. Mike is a Regents Professor and McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

I remember also SARS and a whole bunch of different things. And Mike has served this community locally and also our country nationally on dealing with a lot of different things in the area of infectious disease. Mike is a Regents Professor and McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

Many of you might know that as CIDRAP. Excuse me, CIDRAP. He's also served as the science envoy for health security on behalf of the US Department of State. He's the author of a book back in 2017, Deadliest Enemy, Our War Against Killer Germs. I recommend that book.

Many of you might know that as CIDRAP. Excuse me, CIDRAP. He's also served as the science envoy for health security on behalf of the US Department of State. He's the author of a book back in 2017, Deadliest Enemy, Our War Against Killer Germs. I recommend that book.

From 2001 to 2005, Mike, in addition to his role in CIDDROP, served as special advisor to the HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson on issues related to bioterrorism in public health. And, and this is of course where I linked with Mike, was all the years that he served as the head of the Infectious Disease Department at the Minnesota Department of Health. Mike,

From 2001 to 2005, Mike, in addition to his role in CIDDROP, served as special advisor to the HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson on issues related to bioterrorism in public health. And, and this is of course where I linked with Mike, was all the years that he served as the head of the Infectious Disease Department at the Minnesota Department of Health. Mike,

It's indeed a pleasure to have you on board with us today.

It's indeed a pleasure to have you on board with us today.

So all right, let's get this show on the road. It's like past, present, and future. All right, so let's just clear the airwaves a little bit. Let's just talk about COVID so we get that kind of out of the way a little bit, OK? And I'm going to start out this.

So all right, let's get this show on the road. It's like past, present, and future. All right, so let's just clear the airwaves a little bit. Let's just talk about COVID so we get that kind of out of the way a little bit, OK? And I'm going to start out this.

You were entrenched in dealing with this at the state level and at the national level, trying to get information out to the public as quickly and honestly as we possibly, possibly could. So, all right, now I really, at this point, at this juncture, what has Mike Osterholm learned from it? I mean, it's just like, it was such a complicated process

You were entrenched in dealing with this at the state level and at the national level, trying to get information out to the public as quickly and honestly as we possibly, possibly could. So, all right, now I really, at this point, at this juncture, what has Mike Osterholm learned from it? I mean, it's just like, it was such a complicated process

from a health perspective and a political perspective. What have you learned from it?

from a health perspective and a political perspective. What have you learned from it?

You know, the other thing I think is that, you know, how many of us have witnessed or been part of a public health emergency? I mean, and then all of a sudden it kind of hit. And it's like, you know, the response from many people is, okay, well, now what the hell do we do?

You know, the other thing I think is that, you know, how many of us have witnessed or been part of a public health emergency? I mean, and then all of a sudden it kind of hit. And it's like, you know, the response from many people is, okay, well, now what the hell do we do?

Long COVID is also a component of this going forward as well. So it's like you're dealing with actual COVID, then you're dealing with complications of that go with it as well. So I think, and you can respond to this as well, is this idea of people getting tired. Just tired.