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We've got a great guest with us, Dr. Joseph Gogler from the University of Minnesota, Distinguished University Professor, Dr. Robert L. Cain, Endowed Chair in Long-Term Care. I knew Bob Cain for many, many years. He was a a wonderful colleague. He was also the Dean of the School of Public Health in the state of Minnesota.

We've got a great guest with us, Dr. Joseph Gogler from the University of Minnesota, Distinguished University Professor, Dr. Robert L. Cain, Endowed Chair in Long-Term Care. I knew Bob Cain for many, many years. He was a a wonderful colleague. He was also the Dean of the School of Public Health in the state of Minnesota.

Dr. Gogler's research examines the sources and effectiveness of long-term care for persons with Alzheimer's disease and other chronic decisions. He's applied gerontologists Interest includes Alzheimer's, long-term care, longitudinal ramifications of family care for persons with dementia and chronic conditions. It's great having you. And for our listening audience, how did I connect with Joe?

Dr. Gogler's research examines the sources and effectiveness of long-term care for persons with Alzheimer's disease and other chronic decisions. He's applied gerontologists Interest includes Alzheimer's, long-term care, longitudinal ramifications of family care for persons with dementia and chronic conditions. It's great having you. And for our listening audience, how did I connect with Joe?

Well, there was an article in the New York Times that's really going to kick off our discussion here. There's an article in the New York Times, February 3rd, And the title of the article was When a Spouse Goes to a Nursing Home.

Well, there was an article in the New York Times that's really going to kick off our discussion here. There's an article in the New York Times, February 3rd, And the title of the article was When a Spouse Goes to a Nursing Home.

And without even reading the article further, I was saying to myself, wow, that really has a lot of implications, not only for the person that's going into the long-term care facility, but also the person that's placing them in the facility. So then, of course, then I read the article, and then, of course, Dr. Gagler's research was noted in it. So why don't we start out there, first of all.

And without even reading the article further, I was saying to myself, wow, that really has a lot of implications, not only for the person that's going into the long-term care facility, but also the person that's placing them in the facility. So then, of course, then I read the article, and then, of course, Dr. Gagler's research was noted in it. So why don't we start out there, first of all.

Joe, why don't you give us just a sense of what it means to get or to place a person, a loved one, a significant one, in a long-term care facility, and what ramifications does it have for that person that's going into the facility, as well as the one that's perhaps left at home.

Joe, why don't you give us just a sense of what it means to get or to place a person, a loved one, a significant one, in a long-term care facility, and what ramifications does it have for that person that's going into the facility, as well as the one that's perhaps left at home.

Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I remember when my sister and I had the discussion with my own mother that it was time for her to go, in this case, into an assisted living facility. And I remember prior to that, the discussion that we had about taking the keys from the car away. Okay. Which is kind of like, I almost perceive that as a step, you know, prior.

Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I remember when my sister and I had the discussion with my own mother that it was time for her to go, in this case, into an assisted living facility. And I remember prior to that, the discussion that we had about taking the keys from the car away. Okay. Which is kind of like, I almost perceive that as a step, you know, prior.

It's like one of those variables where you're taking away something from somebody. from somebody, frankly, for perhaps maybe the same reasons that you might be putting them into a long-term care facility or assisted with safety, health reasons, et cetera. Yeah, Clarence.

It's like one of those variables where you're taking away something from somebody. from somebody, frankly, for perhaps maybe the same reasons that you might be putting them into a long-term care facility or assisted with safety, health reasons, et cetera. Yeah, Clarence.

It's interesting when you talk about how it's done. Again, I can use my own family as a perfect illustration. My father passed away many, many years ago, and then my mother was left. And here it was, her kids... were here to help make those decisions. But the kids were adults and they had their own families to deal with. And so then it became, how is it that you actually make these decisions?

It's interesting when you talk about how it's done. Again, I can use my own family as a perfect illustration. My father passed away many, many years ago, and then my mother was left. And here it was, her kids... were here to help make those decisions. But the kids were adults and they had their own families to deal with. And so then it became, how is it that you actually make these decisions?

Like this article in the New York Times was referring to situations where a spouse, replaces a spouse, okay? So we can talk about that for just a second, but then also, you know, there's a situation, well, what about spouse isn't there? Okay, then it's adult children, perhaps, that are making the decision. Then it becomes adult children, are they living in the same city?

Like this article in the New York Times was referring to situations where a spouse, replaces a spouse, okay? So we can talk about that for just a second, but then also, you know, there's a situation, well, what about spouse isn't there? Okay, then it's adult children, perhaps, that are making the decision. Then it becomes adult children, are they living in the same city?

Okay, I mean, it just keeps going on and on, these variables that affect people's lives for those that are being potentially placed, and then also those that are trying to do what's best.