Stan

You know, it's interesting. I was going to say kind of the same thing. It's kind of my perception of this 500%. It's kind of counter to what physicians say. want themselves. They want to be able to cure or better disease manage.

But as soon as the word, I guess, hospice comes into the conversation, that's counter to what they're trained for because they're trying to keep them alive and healthy and happy as opposed to death and dying here, you know?

But as soon as the word, I guess, hospice comes into the conversation, that's counter to what they're trained for because they're trying to keep them alive and healthy and happy as opposed to death and dying here, you know?

So let me, let me ask this question. So it's, I sense that, Barry, you know, when you're dealing with hospice care, you're also dealing with cultural issues. Okay. And, you know, for some people, you know, somebody who's dying is, oh, my God, you know, it's the end of the world. On the other hand, you know, people celebrate. You know, there's some cultures that really celebrate that.

So let me, let me ask this question. So it's, I sense that, Barry, you know, when you're dealing with hospice care, you're also dealing with cultural issues. Okay. And, you know, for some people, you know, somebody who's dying is, oh, my God, you know, it's the end of the world. On the other hand, you know, people celebrate. You know, there's some cultures that really celebrate that.

So how does hospice care deal with that? cultural issues?

So how does hospice care deal with that? cultural issues?

Culturally sensitive.

Culturally sensitive.

So, Barry, you had mentioned at the front end of the show, palliative care, which in my, the way I kind of perceive that is overall disease management. But let's, you know, for the listening now, let's do this. Somebody's in the hospital, a loved one is in the hospital and they're not doing well and it's end of life is coming. Take us a little bit step by step in order to connect the

So, Barry, you had mentioned at the front end of the show, palliative care, which in my, the way I kind of perceive that is overall disease management. But let's, you know, for the listening now, let's do this. Somebody's in the hospital, a loved one is in the hospital and they're not doing well and it's end of life is coming. Take us a little bit step by step in order to connect the

everybody to hospice okay so like use me i'm in the hospital and i'm dying okay what would what would health care providers do for me and for my family in the hospital to step by step to connect me who connects me to hospice for instance okay well if you're in if you're in the hospital yeah okay um probably it would be either

everybody to hospice okay so like use me i'm in the hospital and i'm dying okay what would what would health care providers do for me and for my family in the hospital to step by step to connect me who connects me to hospice for instance okay well if you're in if you're in the hospital yeah okay um probably it would be either

And so they do that with you. And your family.

And so they do that with you. And your family.

So it starts with the, with the attending physician.

So it starts with the, with the attending physician.

Interesting. So that's where the disease management comes in.

Interesting. So that's where the disease management comes in.

you know it's interesting great questions too you know it's interesting you know uh for our listening audience my my pooch just came in uh and it's sitting next to me here and it's interesting you know i i was thinking how it is that we um we humanely deal with end of life for our pets okay and how much of a of a major, major difference there is between how we as humans deal with that.