Stan

Right, right. Yeah. So here's a couple of things I also want to bring up. Violent death or suicide. Okay, so my wife and I had a very, very dear friend that committed suicide. She literally walked... Yeah, I mean, she was depressed and she walked in front of a bus and got killed. Okay. I remember when we were both at the synagogue, our synagogue was packed, you know, because this was...

it was deemed really, really tragic and sad. And I remember my sense was that all these people were gathered around in the synagogue because they were trying to get their head around it. Give me some, give me something that helps me make some sense of this that happened. And, um, Our rabbi was eloquent. He said that for her, her death was like the plague of darkness.

it was deemed really, really tragic and sad. And I remember my sense was that all these people were gathered around in the synagogue because they were trying to get their head around it. Give me some, give me something that helps me make some sense of this that happened. And, um, Our rabbi was eloquent. He said that for her, her death was like the plague of darkness.

It was so dark for her that when she put her hand in front of her face, she could not see it. It was that dark. And you know what? That did it for me. That helped explain, give me some reason or explanation for it that I carried with me to this day. When people get that desperate, Sometimes things are so dark for them that they can't see the hand in front of their face. So that's suicide.

It was so dark for her that when she put her hand in front of her face, she could not see it. It was that dark. And you know what? That did it for me. That helped explain, give me some reason or explanation for it that I carried with me to this day. When people get that desperate, Sometimes things are so dark for them that they can't see the hand in front of their face. So that's suicide.

Then there's violent death where people get, we've talked about this, shot, gun violence, or in wars. Think about people that have shot somebody in battle. And what they take away from that, whether it's the enemy, it doesn't matter. You're still killing somebody, okay? And think of the sense that they have in their head, the ideas that they carry with them, probably for decades,

Then there's violent death where people get, we've talked about this, shot, gun violence, or in wars. Think about people that have shot somebody in battle. And what they take away from that, whether it's the enemy, it doesn't matter. You're still killing somebody, okay? And think of the sense that they have in their head, the ideas that they carry with them, probably for decades,

the rest of their lives. So there's these aspects as well. So Clarence, have you been involved with or known of any kind of what I would call violent deaths or suicidal deaths.

the rest of their lives. So there's these aspects as well. So Clarence, have you been involved with or known of any kind of what I would call violent deaths or suicidal deaths.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm ready to die.

I'm ready to die.

You know, years ago when I first started in the field of public health, my interest was around prevention. To your point, Clarence, I remember discussing with a dear colleague of mine, Mike Bazerman, we sat in his home for, oh my God, it must've been four hours talking about this. And I told him I was really interested in prevention and health promotion.

You know, years ago when I first started in the field of public health, my interest was around prevention. To your point, Clarence, I remember discussing with a dear colleague of mine, Mike Bazerman, we sat in his home for, oh my God, it must've been four hours talking about this. And I told him I was really interested in prevention and health promotion.

And he said to me, Stan, the ultimate form of prevention is preventing death. Because basically what we're really trying to do by doing all this prevention stuff that we talk about in a variety of our shows is putting off death, right? Putting off sickness. But to your point at the very beginning of the show, Clarence, was guess what? It's final. It's a truism no matter what and for everybody.

And he said to me, Stan, the ultimate form of prevention is preventing death. Because basically what we're really trying to do by doing all this prevention stuff that we talk about in a variety of our shows is putting off death, right? Putting off sickness. But to your point at the very beginning of the show, Clarence, was guess what? It's final. It's a truism no matter what and for everybody.

You know, one thing I want to bring up, too, is link with another show that we did on pets. We had Dr. Nicole Heinrich on. And, you know, many of us have pets, you know, dogs, cats, whatever. And, you know, we have to, you know, at some point put our pets down because they're sick. Yeah. And let me tell you. I don't know about you guys, but for me, putting a pet down is absolutely brutal.

You know, one thing I want to bring up, too, is link with another show that we did on pets. We had Dr. Nicole Heinrich on. And, you know, many of us have pets, you know, dogs, cats, whatever. And, you know, we have to, you know, at some point put our pets down because they're sick. Yeah. And let me tell you. I don't know about you guys, but for me, putting a pet down is absolutely brutal.

On the other hand, I've taken away from that when I've done it in the past, incredible lessons learned from them. These dear pets that we all have and what they are saying to us non-verbally. And you know what? Those are things that we all can hold dear. They're really incredible, incredible lessons.