Steph McGovern

Maybe it is a bit further down when the schools don't have anything to gain from keeping them.

But from that beginning point, schools are bothered about keeping them in the sixth form and also keeping,

The academics, again, you know, because that is cheaper to fund as a course and because it's, you know, a lot of prestige is seen in going to university.

And that's where they want to tell their, you know, young people that, you know, the parents and everything.

This is where our however many kids go to uni or whatever.

So there is still that massive disconnect and a lack of parity of esteem and that offering not happening to young people early enough.

From a terrible base, though, like, honestly.

Absolutely.

But there needs to be incentive there, though, for the schools, because teachers, I'm sure there'll be teachers listening to this going, what more do you want us to do?

We're already doing a million things.

But they're not judged on that.

You know, when Ofsted come in, they're not looking at any of these things.

And so...

Teachers' jobs is often hard enough just trying to meet the Ofsted requirements.

And in those schools where you are struggling to get a child into the school, where they might not be have been fed, where they're in, you know, in clothes they've been in for days, where everything going on at home means it's really difficult for them to concentrate.

Ofsted doesn't look at that.

They're just like, have they got their maths and English?

No, no.

you're not doing very well.

And so the incentive needs to change so that teachers are shown value and shown worth for all these other things that they give kids, which will make them work ready.