Steph McMahon

For sure.

And I mean, that guy is loyal.

He understands.

I mean, the companies he's built, it's you know, he's he's an amazing leader and individual for sure.

I think it's about loyalty.

I think like people have the like when something's not working for a short period of time or, you know, like somebody's telling you you shouldn't do something the way that you do.

You just got to believe and be patient and, you know, just work hard and hope for the best.

You know, he really does believe in that, like investing in ideas and people with time like nothing is built over overnight.

Our place to go from the number two basketball video game to where we are today took time.

And that is unusual, especially in today's world.

Yeah.

And because you're going quarter to quarter public company.

We really don't work for EBITDA directly.

Obviously, it's a byproduct of the culture that 2K has built.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

You want to be creative.

You want to storytell.

But the work has to get done.

The product has to be very refined.